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Nato has a choice: stop ISIS or witness another genocide

8 August 2014

What we are witnessing in Northern Iraq today is the unwinding of lives. Where once they were blurred, intertwined and interdependent, now they are monochrome, distinct, raw. The process is bloody and cruel.

The Yazidi community, which has worshipped in the area since before Jonah warned the king of Nineveh to repent, is being deliberately murdered. This isn’t the first time we have watched genocide happen.

In Rwanda one group committed the worst massacres since the Holocaust while we stood by. For many reasonable military reasons it was thought too difficult to act: the distance, the internal isolation, the confusion.

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In Yugoslavia, we watched as men were murdered and women raped in acts perhaps best summarised by the atrocity of Srebrenica. But we didn’t want to get involved without the US or committed to enduring peacekeeping operations just when we had taken a peace dividend from the end of the Cold War. So a part of Europe descended into the worst violence since the second world war.

Today, the Yazidis on Mount Sinjar, some 40,000 according to reports, are isolated and surrounded by the Salafist murders of the so-called Islamic State. In the middle of the largely flat Northern Iraq desert their hope of escape without help is tiny and their choice is clear: starve or be massacred.

NATO also has a choice. Mount Sinjar is barely 100 miles from the nearest Alliance airbase; we can join President Obama and act. But the reality is that a few food deliveries and some small arms will not turn civilians — with women and children amongst them — into a force able to resist the murderous Sunni regime  Our choice, and that of our allies, is to end genocide or again be witnesses to murder.

Tom Tugendhat is Director of Lashkar & Co

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  • Bob Dunford

    what a chance to show the world how strong the nato forces are,you could show would be terrorist you harm one of nato countries ,you harm the world,you kill one man you fight the world,this was what nato was allabout sticking together,making this world safer,so we could all bring our familys up without any wars,no war dead,now these evi terrorist have asked for all they get,nato should use this and show how powerful we are,send in all the planes,the military, boots on ground,everything push them right back till they have to give in,have it all on film news reels,newspapers,how strong we are,knowbody would them want to take us on,no more wars, we have all the countries now and they are ready,just think if they saw american troops,british troops,austrailian troops ,canadian troops,newzealand troops,french troops,german troops ,with there tanks airplanes,all comming at them .they could not run fast enough,to shoot, this would stop terrorist for good,we have it all,generals who want to do it,countries that want to do it,

  • rw

    NATO must suspend it’s ROE doctrine if they truly wish to destroy ISIL. Show no mercy whatsoever. Make no distinction between civilians and militants. Go in and get it done.

  • rw

    Ummm….. you forgot the following rules. ISIS’s ROE

    No 1.: Always surround yourself with innocent people during air attacks.

    No 2. Never move in large numbers or in convoys.

    No.3 always use IED’s whenever and where ever possible.

    No.4 Keep lots kidnapped innocents secretly locked up and
    tell the enemy that an air campaign will only end up killing those locked up.

    No 5. Never stand near your tank or APC for extended periods of time.

    A massive air campaign is not the final answer.


    ISIS will wire inhabited villages with explosives and detonate it if they becomes over powered by opposition forces.


  • Avrie

    US& NATO have to send a clear message to these Islamic terrorists by uniting in full force to bomb them until there isn’t any left.

  • beenzrgud

    There is absolutely no point in trying to appease or reason with these jihadists. The US is always scratching around for somewhere to drop bombs, and I can think of no better place than on theses sadistic barstewards

  • Rossspeak

    I was totally against the second Iraq war – and ambivalent about the effectiveness of invading Afghanistan – but ISIS ( or ISIL/IL -take your pick) – are truly evil and must be stopped.
    About time that the Arab states took responsibility for controlling their Lunatic fringe – I know the majority are Sunni and have a legitimate argument about the “democratic” Iraqui government’s anti- Sunni policies – but this medieval monster must be eliminated .

    • the viceroy’s gin

      …sounds good, lad, so when can we expect you to show up to do the fighting there?

      • Rossspeak

        I am neither a “lad” – nor prone to write trite comments.

        • the viceroy’s gin

          Perhaps not prone to be trite, but you made out just fine with that post, lad/lass.

          So when are you going to saddle up and head on over and join the fight?

          • Rossspeak

            Don’t be patronising – I try to write thoughtful posts that invite thoughtful replies.

            • the viceroy’s gin

              I’m not being patronizing. I’m pointing out the trite nonsense you posted, which consisted of basically: “Somebody (else) must do something.”

              Your trite nonsense became particularly ironic when you patted yourself on the back for your lack of proneness to being “trite” .

              So when are you boarding the plane for Iraq, lad/lass?

  • Stephen Green

    Just as well that Bliar the Liar and Broon the Goon have left us with one unusable aircraft carrier to do the job with. But not to worry Dithering Dave will leap to a decision in another five years time.
    Pity about the genocide in the meantime.

  • Karim Meggaro

    Back in January, Unmapped sent Tim Motz to Erbil, and the tone in Iraqi Kurdistan was incredibly positive. Incredible to think how much has changed in just a few months:

  • JoeDM

    The spread of Islamofascism must be stopped !!!

  • Picquet

    Where’s the opposition to this atrocity from China? Russia? India? Brazil?

  • Mrs Josephine Hyde-Hartley

    There’s no point in having a choice without the right policy.

    I don’t think NATO has got it but the EU has, I’m sure..and when it comes to sorting out such serious concerns of course here in the UK we can do just about anything, anywhere, anytime – even for research and training purposes -given our wonderfully generous ( largely unwritten) and therefore flexible constitution.

  • jack

    Yes, the rational choice would be to blow ISIS to their paradise( they will thank us for this step to heaven) and then do the same to the oily sheiks of Saudi Arabia for propagating the evil idea of far right Islam.

  • Bonkim

    NATO is to protect the North Atlantic – not go on desert adventures.

  • Trofim

    The West and Russia should all be cooperating in fighting our common enemy. The politicking in which we are engaged now is madness. We have far more in common that not.

    • Dean Jackson

      “The West and Russia should all be cooperating in fighting our common enemy.”

      Since the collapse of the USSR was an obvious strategic ruse, why would you say such a silly thing? Uninformed? Or something more ominous? Back in 1961 a KGB Staff Officer, Major Anatoliy Golitsyn, defected to the West, warning the West in 1962 that the Soviet Union would fake its “liberalization” in the future. How is it you’re not aware of that?

      • Trofim

        I speak as someone who lived in the USSR in the 1970’s. Russia is incomparably, staggeringly free compared to what it was. If you’d spent any time in the Soviet Union, you might understand this.

        • Dean Jackson

          “Russia now is incomparably, staggeringly free compared to the USSR.”

          Tell that to the journalists who are murdered/beat up on the streets. Tell that to Duma representatives who are murdered. Tell that to the electorate of Russia who are forced to elect for president only Soviet era Communist Party members.

  • victor67

    The Liberal Interventionist’s and something must be done brigade raise their ugly head again.
    These adventures are easy to start and the aims and rationale are always simplified and exaggerated to sell them to the public.(Iraq 45 mins, Libya imminent Genocide and the same with ISIS) The sad truth is America due to its blundering and hypocrisy is rarely seen as neutral in the ME and invariably always makes it worse.
    What happens when one of those precision strikes goes astray and more dead Iraqi kids?

    • the viceroy’s gin

      …you mean like your Hamas buddies always hope for?

  • McRobbie

    Where are the demonstrations against the qatar and saudi billionaires who are financing this tragedy ? Instead the leftie bigots spout off about defending the hamas supporting gaza people from israels response to rockets being fired at them. Samba bands and pontificating speeches from idiots to stop the blood shed in israel not defending itself obviously. Stop the ISIS butchery in iraq should be on everyones lips ..why not ? it happens to be peace loving christians being massacred. Can the message be no clearer..the bible says thou shalt not kill…the koran says kill all non believers ! Choose which is the better ethic to live by !

    • the viceroy’s gin

      If you bombed the Saudis, Qataris, Iranians, the Emirates and Turkey… ISIS and the Baghdad islamofascists would dry up and blow away right quick.

  • Dean Jackson

    Guess who “Islamic State” combatants in northern Iraq are? Those wearing balaclavas to hide their Caucasian identity are Ukrainian troops posing as Muslim combatants, replete with fake beards and bad wigs! Now you know (1) the West was co-opted decades ago by Marxists; (2) why the Ukrainian population revolted last January (because the Ukrainian military was either in northern Iraq or in southern Turkey preparing to enter Iraq), resulting in the toppling of hundreds of hated statues to Lenin, statues that were supposed to have been toppled back in early 1992; and (3) why the West and its puppet government in Baghdad refused to attack Islamic State back in December.

    These belated “airstrikes” are anemic and will only be aimed at non-Soviet combatants. When the demoralized United States ground forces are sent back to Iraq, the Ukrainian Army will put up stiff resistance, and air cover will be confined to non-Soviet combatants.

    By the way, no Muslim group would fly a black flag into battle, as we see Islamic State doing. The color would be green. For those of you also ignorant of this fact, the reason Muslims would fly a green flag is because the Prophet Muhammad’s eye’s were green.

    The fraudulent “collapse” of the USSR (and East Bloc) couldn’t have been pulled off until both political parties in the United States (and political parties elsewhere in the West) were co-opted by Moscow & Allies, which explains why verification of the “collapse” was never undertaken by the West, such verification being (1) a natural administrative procedure (since the USSR wasn’t occupied by Western military forces); and (2) necessary for the survival of the West. Recall President Reagan’s favorite phrase, “Trust, but verify”.

    Notice that not one political party in the West demanded verification of the collapse of the USSR, and the media failed to alert your attention to this fact, including the “alternative” media. When determining whether the “former” USSR is complying with arms control treaties, what does the United States do to confirm compliance? Right, the United States sends into the “former” USSR investigative teams to VERIFY compliance, yet when it’s the fate of the West that’s at stake should the collapse of the USSR be a ruse, what does the United States do to confirm the collapse? Nothing!

    It gets worse–the West also never (1) de-Communized the Soviet Armed Forces of its Communist Party officer corps, which was 90% officered by Communist Party members; and (2) arrested and detained the 6-million vigilantes that assisted the Soviet Union’s Ministry of the Interior control the populations of the larger cities during the period of “Perestroika” (1986-1991)!

    There was no verification, de-Communization and de-mobilization.

    The “War on Terror” & Iraq War I and II:

    Regarding the “War on Terror”, Moscow and Beijing tasked America to conduct the operation to ensure that while the USSR was in a “liberalized” and therefore weakened state, such a war would (1) create the image that the United States is a rogue state, invading/attacking nations with impunity; (2) destroy the preeminence of the United States on the world stage; and (3) weaken the United States Armed Forces via a never ending “War on Terror”.

    Before the fraudulent collapse of the USSR in December 1991 Moscow tasked Washington, DC to ready the 1990 Gulf War with Iraq. Why? Because Moscow, after the “collapse”, was going to intentionally implode its economy to ensure foreign investments went to China instead. Russia could live on the relatively higher price that its oil exports (Russia is #2 behind Saudi Arabia in oil exports) would obtain thanks to the United States placing an embargo on Iraqi oil, thereby raising the world price of oil relative to the lower price the commodity would have fetched if the Iraq embargo hadn’t been in place. China has no such export market for oil, therefore would have to rely on foreign investments to build her military.

    Then by 2001 oil began getting too scarce and expensive due to India’s emergence on the economic scene, threatening China’s military buildup. To ensure China had the oil it needed, and at a lower relative price then what it would have been otherwise, and not exhaust Russian oil reserves, Moscow once again tasked Washington, DC to invade Iraq for the purpose of now opening up Iraq’s oil reserves once again to the world oil market. Hence the March 2003 Iraqi War, and why China is the major player that has benefited from Iraqi oil contracts…

    New political parties are needed, where candidates are screened. It’s unbelievable that we allow the fate of the Republic to be held by those (1) who are agents of Moscow & Beijing; or (2) whom the KGB and their Western counterparts have co-opted, usually via sexual blackmail.

    • AJH1968

      You need medication or a girlfriend. What about a hot Russian bride?

      • Dean Jackson

        “What about a hot Russian bride?”

        KGB agents! No thanks.

        What part of “There was no verification, de-Communization and de-mobilization” did you not comprehend?

        Why do you think Islamic State was allowed to entrench itself in Iraq since last December? Where do you think Islamic State came from? They crossed the border with Turkey, Allah didn’t spirit them into Iraq!

      • Dean Jackson

        What did you not get by the observation…

        “There was no verification, de-Communization and de-mobilization.”?

    • cartimandua

      The videos of hideous atrocities (including the murder of children) show Chechens.
      They are still Muslims.

      • Dean Jackson

        “The videos of hideous atrocities (including the murder of children) show Chechens.”

        And the persons wearing balaclavas are Ukrainians, and thanks for pointing out to readers that other Soviet republics are involved in the “Islamic State” ruse.

  • BoiledCabbage

    NATO? Turkey has declined to act, despite the proximity of Yazidi villages. It is only the US who have the assets and the capability. As always.

  • Blindsideflanker

    Cameron has shown, as usual, to be backing the wrong side. He wanted to bomb Syria , and so help the Islamists, until public pressure and Parliament put a stop to his plans. Now Cameron is reluctant to use our military ( what is left of it) when it should be used to help the Christians and Yazidi. Tossing a few supplies out the back of an aircraft is just not good enough.

  • DaHitman

    The West will do nothing because its Muslims murdering non-Musims

    • Blindsideflanker

      Even less chance when its Muslims murdering Christians.

    • cartimandua

      They can hardly bear to mention Christians but you should do a little online research about what is happening.

  • cartimandua

    But get Russia China Iran and the useless UN to pay for it. Send them the bill.
    Iraq and Kurdistan are oil rich. If we save their as* we should have ALL the oil leases.
    Lets not save them so Russia can benefit.

  • JoeDM

    This is one intervention I would support.

    Islamofascism is the biggest threat to the civilised world today !!!

    • willoyen

      Islamofascism is the biggest threat to the civilised world today

      most people world-wide think it’s the United States
      (Gallup Poll international)

      • cartimandua

        Most people worldwide are illiterate and less intelligent than a smart dog.

        • willoyen

          the results of the poll show they’re smarter than you thought

          • cartimandua

            Well no because its primitive tribes and Muslims who treat women like livestock and over populate every resource.
            The 100 million in the youth bulge of the MENA region is hardly
            the fault of the US although the West has provided medicine clean water and modern agriculture.

    • trotters1957

      You know nothing about Islam or Fascism.
      The civilised world lost 50 million in wars in the last century.

      • Alexsandr

        That makes ISIS/Hamas OK then does it?

      • RichardBaranov

        You evidently know nothing about Islam’s charming progress through history. Between 1000 AD and 1525 AD it is estimated that 80 million Indians were slaughtered by Islam. Whilst in no way belittling the numbers killed in the civilized world, 50 million is almost a storm in a teacup in comparison. And, bear in mind, that is only one country where Islam demonstrated its true face.

        And, if you think they would not do it to us, then you are truly deluded. I grew up in an Islamic country and know better. In fact, you know nothing other than the false representation of Islam by liberals and fools.

      • the viceroy’s gin

        Well, pound for pound, I’d put the islamofascist wars in the Mideast, especially those between Iraq and Iran, along with the islamofascist wars involving the Palistans and India, as about as violent as anything anybody else did in the 20th century. The only reason the islamofascists didn’t kill more is they’re too stupid to be able to do so. They would have if they could have .

        • you_kid

          Oi, islamoloonylad, is that you next to a cardboard PM’s head mounted on a spike? You nutters are all the same, arentcha.

          • the viceroy’s gin

            …and with you and your army of sockpuppets to support them, there’s no telling where your islamofascist allies can go, eh lad?

            • you_kid

              no laddie, you are the islamofascist on that photograph. We all know it because it’s your line all day and night till Christmas. Head spike viceroy. We know, we care!
              You are an undercover islamopalestinian.

              • the viceroy’s gin

                No, lad, it is you and your army of socialist nutter sockpuppets who snuggle up lovingly with the islamofascist murderers.

                Congratulations, laddie. Your fascist brethren are doing your usual murder.

  • english_pensioner

    The trouble now is that we have a high-tech military trying to fight a low-tech enemy. Bombs won’t do a lot against small groups of fighters spread over a wide area.
    I suspect a Spitfire or Hurricane with its machine guns would be able to inflict far more damage than the modern high-tech fighter.

    • Jack

      Drones could do more damage than a sky-load of Spitfires

      • english_pensioner

        I’m not sure if that would be true in the desert environment. The US “Warthog” would do a good job!

    • cartimandua

      Oh come now . We have drones.

      • english_pensioner

        I’m not sure what weapons they have, but bombs are not a lot of use in the desert environment where the enemy will be spread over many miles.

        • cartimandua

          That’s the point of drones and jets with hellfire missiles.

          • english_pensioner

            A very expensive solution to get rid of gunmen in a pick-up truck. Hellfire missiles apparently cost $58,000 each!

            • the viceroy’s gin

              The US foolishly armed the Iraqi military with armored vehicles and heavy artillery, which ISIS scooped up when the Iraqis fled the battlefield. Those heavier pieces of equipment can surely be targeted.

              • english_pensioner

                I’d agree they’re needed for those sort of targets. I haven’t seen any on TV, just pick-up trucks, but it’s really difficult to find out exactly what is happening.

  • Samir Khan

    Stop pretending that the West cares for the YAZIDI or the Kurdhish community. Its only acting now because the precious oil supply
    is threatened.

    • itdoesntaddup

      You are wrong: we are reminded that the kind of atrocity perpetrated by ISIS has already been seen on our streets, and we are aware that some of those who are nominally our citizens are involved with ISIS at present. Oil from Kirkuk to Ceyhan has been intermittent all year, suffering outages of weeks at a time – and ownership of the oil is disputed.

      • the viceroy’s gin

        Bologna. The same nutters now shrieking against ISIS have been all along supporting and paying them to slaughter Christians in Syria.

        • dado_trunking

          Yes of course, goldfish brain.
          20,000 went to the streets then (where?), to demonstrate for the A-rabs to be bombed out of their palaces, just like 20,000 went to the streets of London today to demonstrate against the bombing of A-rabs in their homes=castles.
          All A-rabs must be bombed, innit laddie with a goldfish brain.

          • the viceroy’s gin

            …and this socialist nutter and army of sockpuppets is one of those who shrieked support for those ISIS islamofascists.

            • dado_trunking

              Did we lad? Who voted for the bombing for the sake of bombing? You did, laddie. But of course you would have forgotten, given the gold fish brain you sport.

              • the viceroy’s gin

                Yes, you did, lad.

                No, lad, we conservatives put down your nutty attempt to provide your islamofascist brothers an air force in Syria.

                Congratulations, though. Your fascist friends have plenty of murder left in them, apparently.

                • dado_trunking

                  “we conservatives put down your nutty attempt to provide an air force in Syria”

                  HTML error – does not compute.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …oh yes it does, laddie. You socialist nutters shrieked hysterically to provide an air force for your islamofascist comrades in murder.

    • Guest

      oh if the evil west was only as peaceful as you lovely muslims…

      • MissDemeanor

        don’t forget CARING

    • cartimandua

      And? Its too expensive to save people so Russia can mop up the oil.

    • Trofim

      Bollocks. Muslims care about Muslims and only Muslims. If Muslims are indifferent or hostile to anything, it shows that it is has worth.

  • global city

    ‘Gays for the Caliphate’.: Article headline some time in the next month if the US step up their campaign.

    ‘Don’t deflate the Caliphate’.: Stop the War coalition banner

    ‘We’re all ISIS now’…moronic chant made by some idiot at the first SWP organised anti imperialist march through London.

    ‘Kill the Jews’… the secret thoughts of all of the above.

    • the viceroy’s gin

      What a magnificent post. I’d call it satirical, but we all know it’s not really .

      • global city

        I was quite inspired…. probably too much bedtime tea!

    • The Masked Marvel
      • global city

        Ever reliable Marxist loons! You can’t parody them.

        • you_kid

          oh dear – 150,000 Marxist loons march in Britain. Communism is nigh!

          • global city

            You used too many noughts there.

            Does it really take 150k people to edit and write that website?

            • you_kid

              erhm… business on King Street is getting slightly aggravated
              after *three solid weeks* of city centre protests.
              150,000 punters in Britain it is.

              • global city

                I was referring to the article on the Stop the War site….. if you had followed the previous posts and link.

                With regards to the ‘too many noughts’ I thought you meant the numbers of idiot bovines who moooed their way through London today.

                • you_kid

                  EU communism is nigh.
                  1,500,000+ Marxist loons on the streets all across Europe.
                  World communism is nigh.
                  15,000,000+ Marxist loons on the streets all across the globe.

                  Global protest regarding Gaza, images

                  Breathe, brother, breathe …

                • global city

                  No….you still don’t get it…. most of the herd, people like you, are not dyed in the wool thinkers and leaders of the ideological base of the movement that the cultural Marxists proudly organise.

                  People like you (and I) are unimportant so our intellectual grounding and political agenda does not matter.

                • you_kid

                  I ‘still’ don’t get it? I get it eleventy twelvety per cent, bro. You started the Marxist loon nonsense.

                  Breathe, bro, breathe … you cannot deny reality.
                  Everyone is reporting it, everywhere.

                • global city

                  One last go.

                  Do you not think that the SWP are a hardline Marxist organisation? They seem to think that they are.

                  They will be bitterly disappointed in your denial of their radical cred/chic/stupidity.

                • you_kid

                  I couldn’t give one hoot about whether some party is hardline this or that.

                  15,000,000+ punters line the streets for a reason, all over the globe, global city. You claim you were global. I linked to the globe to prove how global I am. Take bloody note.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …so your sockpuppet army has gone global, lad?

                • you_kid
                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Oh yeah, we’re all going to scurry over to your socialist nutter links, lad.

                  How’s the goat, lad?

                  And how are you murderous islamofascist buddies ISIS?

                • you_kid

                  No need laddie, the photographs are everywhere you look.
                  No need to get out of your little England comfy cloud cuckoo armchair to take note.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Yes, your islamofascist buddies are everywhere now, I agree.

                  They murder everywhere too, as you fascists are wont to do.

                  How’s the goat, lad?

                • global city

                  Strange post, by an even stranger ‘commentator’

                • The Masked Marvel

                  Okay, not Marxists. Just people who have a highly selective concern about ‘human rights’ and ‘genocide’, and who – just like you – support either the elimination of all Jews in Israel or the creation of a new State with a human rights violation built into it.

                  No wonder you defend them.

    • Cymrugel

      God. If only you were wrong

  • Real Scot

    Time for some more arms to Iran? Better the devil you know.

  • CharlietheChump

    Good, let’s see the Germans in the lead this time (by day only of course)

    • Alexsandr

      or the belgians (It will have to wait till Monday. they dont do military on the weekends)

  • Shlomo

    Where once they were blurred, intertwined and interdependent, now they are monochrome, distinct, raw.

    Sounds wonderful, doesn’t it? One can almost picture the gaiety as Iraqis of all creeds and colours skip through the picturesque streets hand-in-hand celebrating each others festivals, inter-marrying all the way to the end of the rainbow where…

    …But that’s not the reality, is it? It’s *never* been the reality. Iraq, like so many far off lands rapidly reproducing their sectarian milieus in a town, city (and very, very soon) a village near you, is a morass of religious, ethnic and cultural chauvinism.

    The armchair generals, fresh from their resounding victories in Iraq, Afghanistan etc. etc. etc. wish to usher in that fabled ‘End of History’ of Zakarian legend. Then, and only then, will the sectarian veil be lifted to reveal a new liberal democratic Brotherhood of Man.

    These people care even less about the Yazidis than they do you or I, but they’ll happily cheer on the bombs, the drones and the – ahem – ‘military advisors’ to indulge their own psychoses before beckoning the particular minority or oppressed group du jour to SE England for tea, cakes and an enclave all of their own.

    Don’t get me wrong, millenarian Islamic fanatics with fantasies about an unattainable global caliphate should be fought tooth and nail, but when the cheerleaders for this sort of action inevitably display their profound ignorance (see above) and invoke the usual soundbites, British small ‘c’ conservatives ought really to smell a rat.

    By all means extend military and humanitarian assistance to the sectarian and dysfunctional Iraqi government, but we British people should not be hoodwinked into the assumption that the enemy of our enemy is our friend: in most cases these minorities would be just as toxic to the future cohesion of the British people as their Qur’an-ululating compatriots (the live stoning of the Yazidi girl on Youtube being a case in point). Sure, they may not be as bad as Islamic supremacists, but that’s a bit like saying Fukushima wasn’t quite as bad as Chernobyl etc. etc.

    I note with interest that support is gaining ground in Iraq at the moment for a movement to combat sectarian and ethnic politics. It will be a long, hard struggle and I commend all those Iraqis involved for trying. In the UK, we seem to be practically galloping in the opposite direction, with each new day revealing more evidence of the horrors wrought by a rigid devotion to ideological multiculturalism.

    • Alexsandr

      well quite
      we go in against ISIS and immediately p1ss off all the sunnis in the world
      do nothing and we p1ss off all the shi’ites in the world.

      The sooner people realise all this religious stuff doesnt matter and is bunkum the better. Then they can stop blowing each other up.

    • Baron

      An excellent rant, Shiomo, well articulated, too, but go further, tell Baron why is it fifty, hundred years ago the West, for it is the civilised West, didn’t have to confront the IS, the Boko Haram, the al Qaedas …Why was that? What has changed since then? Could we ever get some quiet and peace again?

      • Shlomo

        A whole range of factors…who can say? Affordable pan-global mass communication for one.

        the civilised West

        How civilised is a society where a 17-year-old can *allegedly* walk up to a stranger in the street and stab them to death? Why not ask the Conservative PPC author of this piece?

        • Jack

          It’s a nation of millions and murders like that happen once in a blue moon. Civilized society makes no claims to be utopia.

        • Ooh!MePurse!

          A d you are trying to draw a parallel with…..?

  • figurewizard

    In the long run the most important NATO member will be Turkey, which appears however to have been a portal for ISIS. volunteers from this and other countries.

    • the viceroy’s gin

      The Turks want the Kurds put down. Best not hold out for their help.

      • dado_trunking

        … and you of course agree with them, laddie – the morally inferior far right bigot that you are.

        • the viceroy’s gin

          No, it is you and your islamofascist friends who want innocents put down, lad. That’s why you demanded they be supported in Syria when they were forming. You fascist nutters always support your own.

          • dado_trunking

            Nah laddie, the morally superior left will remind you that only you are in it for the dosh. What is it with you and your dosh? Why does it matter so much to you? Mammonism, you addiction.
            Go on – carry on selling all them bazookas to everyone. Sell ’em laddie – be the bigot. But the morally superior left will remind you from time to time who the inferior fascist is, given the gold fish memory that you undoubtedly have.

            • the viceroy’s gin

              No, laddie, you, your army of sockpuppets and the rest of the socialist nutters shrieked hysterically to go bombs away and help your islamofascist brethren slaughter those Christians in Syria .

              You fascists have always stuck together, as we know historically.

              How’s the goat, lad? Does he know you allied him with islamofascist murderers?

              • dado_trunking

                Ok laddie, we note your brain is fried, the stupid piffle you reiterate here (as if some other OAPs cared).

                In the meantime we welcomed Hungary and nine others into our club of nations. Then Bulgaria and Romania, then Croatia, now Albania is talkin’. You crackheads have been buying their spliffs for ages anyhow, might as well let them in, too. Don’t you agree, laddie with a goldfish brain?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Hey. No, your squirming won’t get you out of your stupidity, laddie.

                  You and your sockpuppet army of socialist nutters squealed that your islamofascist buddies in Syria must be supported.

                  Enjoy, lad, your fellow fascists are at work now .

                • dado_trunking

                  Hehe, laddie, how’s the Albanian joint? It blew your gold fish brain, didn’t it? Now observe them join the European club of nations next (not they were not already here).

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Did you and your islamofascist buddies intend to slaughter all the Christians in the Mideast, lad?

                  Or will you leave a breeding stock, so you can enjoy more slaughter later?

                  What’s the goat think about that, by the way?

                • dado_trunking

                  So Assad is slaughering Christians now? I am trying but I just cannot follow any of the blatherings of this far right nutter.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …no, your islamofascist friends are slaughtering Christians, lad, just as you fascists have always done historically.

  • Barakzai

    ‘Where once they were blurred, intertwined and interdependent, now they are monochrome, distinct, raw.’

    Aren’t we lucky then, with our happy multiculturalism a barrier to any such ‘rawness’ ever developing in British society?

  • CraigStrachan

    The nearest NATO base is in Turkey. Seems to me the attitude of the Turks will be key, here. Yet they seem strangely quiet.

    • In2minds

      The Turks are strangely quiet as they are too busy creating the next failed state in the region.

      • CraigStrachan

        Apparently, a good number of ISIS fighters are Turks.

  • English Majority

    This is our time.

    We need to bomb ISIS into oblivion as violently as possible.

    If any government minister out there wants to finally do something popular and good for once in their wretched lives, he or she needs to order the immediate aerial bombing of every single ISIS Islamist in that area.

    This is a beautiful opportunity.

    The symbolic value of us wiping ISIS out would be legendary, and achingly cool.

    • dado_trunking

      Neither do ‘you’ have the capability to do that, nor do ‘you’ have the intellect to clean up afterwards. Are you a demented five years old or something? Forget Ebola, raving lunatic pensioners calling for blood shed need to be seen for free on the NHS now. I will personally arrange for you to jump the queue.

      • Span Ows

        ??? Where does he say ‘he’ is going to do it?

      • the viceroy’s gin

        …and considering you socialist nutters helped create these islamofascist murderers in Syria, and shrieked hysterically that the “international community” must support them, you certainly don’t want your handmaiden islamofascist buddies to be harmed, eh lad?

        • dado_trunking

          Piffle, lad – glad to see you peddle your propaganda again.

          • the viceroy’s gin

            Yes, you do talk piffle, lad, as do all of you socialist nutters.

            But I’m sure your murderous islamofascist ISIS buddies appreciate all your piffle, lad. Your piffle helped create them in Syria, and now they’re flourishing elsewhere, in all their murderous islamofascist glory, which you fellow fascists are no doubt proud of, inshallah.

            • dado_trunking

              yes, lad – YOU like the bombing for bombing’s sake.
              The morally superior left are happy to remind you when you are wrong. Goldfish brains need constant reminding.

              • the viceroy’s gin

                Yes, lad, your socialist nuttery is piffle.

                And yes, laddie, back when you and your army of sockpuppets were shrieking to go bombs away in Syria and help your islamofascist amigos slaughter innocent people, we conservatives called you the fascist nutter you were, then as now, and shut down your kookery, and forced your Millipedal fuhrer to abandon your fascist drive to help your islamofascist allies.

                How’s the goat, lad? Sort of a bummer that you and all your sockpuppet menagerie are stuck being a fascist nutter, eh?

                • dado_trunking

                  Oh look, the laddie with the goldfish brain is back. Didn’t take long, did it. The morally superior left stopped you from bombing for bombing’s sake, laddie. Not even twelve months ago but you have forgotten already.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …nope, sorry lad, but you and your army of sockpuppets were exposed, when you advocated joining the islamofascist murderers, and having the West become their air force, as they slaughtered Christians in Syria.

                  How’s the goat, lad?

                • dado_trunking

                  Nope laddie – no matter how often you prfess to repeat it, the bigoted right are spoon-fed morals by the superior left. That’s how the world works laddie.
                  Twelve months = 17 hours, and the gold fish brain needs reminding.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Nope, laddie, you and your army of socialist nutter sockpuppets love the islamofascist murderers ISIS, which is why you shrieked to provide them an air force in Syria, to help slaughter the innocent, as you fascists always seek to do .

                  How’s that going over with the goat, lad?

      • Baron

        We may or may not have the money to do what English Majority says, but we certainly don’t have the guts. An ‘intellect’ has FA to do with it, dado.

        And he’s right. The analogy ain’t tightly fitting, the gist’s clear: If the West did in Iraq what the courageous gen Sisi is doing in Egypt today, who knows, perhaps we wouldn’t have to deal with massive number of refugees, the IS thugs, boils and warts of this sort still to emerge, hit us, cost us money that we haven’t got.

    • Jack

      I took you for a non-violent-bombing kind of guy. We live and learn.

      • dado_trunking

        Paul Weston = Raw England = English Majority
        The cracker jacks crack on with jacking off. How droll.

        • the viceroy’s gin

          …can any other of you socialist nutters translate this nutter’s gibberish?

    • english_pensioner

      As I’ve observed below, bombs aren’t much use on an enemy that is spread quite widely over the desert. You might get one pick-up truck and its crew, but even if the next one was within a hundred yards or so, they are likely to escape unscathed.

      • Jules Wright

        Think Desert Air Force against the Afrika Corps with a 21st century twist. Sweep, strafe, destroy. Time we blooded the NATO drone force in serious numbers. To whit, flood the skies.

        IS, ISIS – or whatever they want to call themselves – is the AQ army and in effect, a well-funded barbarous state-within-a-state rolling with impunity aboard Toyota Hi-Lux. Unimpeded, the threat it poses is immense. It cannot be accommodated; therefore it must be obliterated. It really is as simple and as stark as that.

        • english_pensioner

          Or if not drones, the US Warthog was designed for this type of target, not the modern high speed jet fighters.

    • BoiledCabbage

      Yes, to oblivion, and Tower Hamlets next. Even cooler.

    • @PhilKean1


      The Government’s earlier announcement – “Britain considers air strikes to stop Iraqi genocide” – has been subject to urgent change by an MOD spokesman to – “Britain considers air STRIKE to stop Iraqi genocide”.

      It seems that someone forgot that Coalition cuts have left the RAF with fewer fighter jets than New Zealand.

  • Curnonsky

    NATO will act – it will hastily convene a conference which will express deep concern, deplore, condemn, call upon all parties to exercise restraint, etc., then it will adjourn for a three hour lunch.

    Obama will drop some supplies, the occasional bomb, issue a statement calling on all sides to exercise restraint, then adjourn to the golf course.

    Noone will march in the streets.

    The UN will do nothing. The EU will do less. The BBC will grow bored and move on to more congenial subjects. There will be no calls for boycotts, divestment, etc. Luvvies will not tweet.

    Is this what 1914 felt like?

    • Alexsandr

      BBC will find a way to blame Israel…

      • Stephen Green

        It’s interesting that we no longer refer to the BBC as ‘Auntie’. How quickly loving memory turns into hatred and contempt. They’ve had it coming for some time.

    • John Gerard

      Yes, that is precisely what will happen.

    • Jack

      Who could you boycott in this instance? Isis? They’re not a democratic country, or a business, they’re armed thugs running amok.

      • the viceroy’s gin

        …they were created in Syria, by the West and the Arabian thugocrats. The easiest thing is to cut off their funding.

  • Span Ows

    ISIS need to be disappeared, that will help here in the UK too without several hundred coming back from ‘visiting relatives in Pakistan’ or something…I hope our own SIS* are ready for the influx.

    *MI5 and 6 etc as was.

    • Andy

      The Government of Iraq should issue a proclamation that unless ISIS fighters lay down their arms within 48 hours they will be considered Traitors and Murderers and will be summarily executed on capture. Execute a few hundred and you will quickly see ISIS collapse.

      As to our Government they should issue a proclamation that any British Subject fighting with ISIS has a week to return immediately to the UK. Failure to do so revokes their citizenship and they will be considered Iraqi and /or Syrian citizens.

      • Alexsandr

        trouble is executing them makes them martyrs. and they will think they are off t their 72 virgins or raisins or whatever.
        Id make em work in a bacon factory for 10 years.

        • Andy

          You’re just cruel !

        • McRobbie

          I’d encourage them to have their 22 virgins and live in bliss for ever and ever..for ever and ever is a long time and it will turn out to be real torture after the first million years or so. I think they deserve the torture of being in bliss for ever. I’d rather live a real life for a few years with bliss intermingled with seems more fun in the round.

        • Airey Belvoir

          I can hardly think of a rasher action.

        • Kevin T

          Just disappear their passports and any records of their citizenship. You’re from Birmingham, are you? Sorry we have no records. Back to the Middle East on the next flight with you. Let their families and the human rights lawyers screech about it, who cares.

          • Alexsandr

            oh its better than that. When they present their passport at check -in they scan it and the computer systems check it for validity. If its rejected then they cant fly.

        • BoiledCabbage

          Cleaning dog kennels…..

        • Stephen Green

          If it’s just one a day they’ll soon have to take themselves in hand.

    • BoiledCabbage

      Air-drop them some tasty bushmeat. Bats for example.

    • Icebow

      MI6 is SIS, though never officially the former, as I recall hearing. MI5 is the Security Service, understandably not abbreviated to SS (Social Services); I think it was officially MI5 at some stage, though not now.

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