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Islamic extremism and the hypocrisy of the Church of England

17 August 2014

The Church of England has written to David Cameron accusing him of lacking ‘a coherent or comprehensive approach to Islamic extremism as it is developing across the globe’. The letter, signed by the the Bishop of Leeds, Nick Baines, and approved by the Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, also reportedly accuses the PM of turning his back on Christians slaughtered or made homeless in northern Iraq – and wonders why Cameron has chosen to concentrate on the plight of the Yazidis instead.

These criticisms are spot on. But I’m surprised that the C of E has had the brass neck to make them.

For decades, the Anglican and Catholic Churches have ignored the growth of the domestic Islamic extremism that has seen British Muslims travel to Syria and Iraq to fight for Isis. They have warned us (rightly) against Islamophobia without considering the possibility that many Muslims hate the Churches with unwavering intensity. Archbishop Rowan Williams supported the extension of Sharia in this country. His attitude was one factor in persuading the only C of E bishop who did draw attention to the Islamist threat, Michael Nazir-Ali, to resign the see of Rochester and work full-time to protect Christians abroad.

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The ambitious Bishop Baines is now loudly defending Christian minorities. Good for him. It makes a welcome change from his crude Tory-bashing. This is how he summed up Government policy in a blog post in February:

‘… we are determined to get people off welfare dependency and to reduce the tax burden of welfare, so we are prepared for people to starve and become destitute in order to achieve that longer-term goal.’

I wouldn’t dream of suggesting that attacking a Conservative-led government comes more easily to Bishop Nick than attacking Labour – and, as I said, his reference to ‘a lack of a coherent or comprehensive approach’ to global Islamism hits the nail on the head.

But where is the Church of England’s apology for failing to acknowledge the existence of a worldwide Islamist campaign against Christianity until virtually the other day? And will it ever acknowledge that its ‘meaningful dialogue’ with Muslim hardliners has been interpreted by them as a sign of Christian weakness?

Of course not. The C of E is quick to say sorry for colonialism, sexism, homophobia etc. Not once has it apologised for a naïve liberalism that has endangered the lives of Christians in Muslim countries.

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  • DP111

    The CoE has not cared for Christians in Islamic countries even when there was an ongoing genocide of Christians in Sudan. Only lately has it said a few words, but with lots of caveats of radical Muslims and moderate Muslims etc.

    The CoE is a Christian church like any other. Its only that it is the established church that distinguishes form other churches.

    If the CoE, as an established church has any purpose, it is to ensure that the Protestant realm of the UK is not under threat. This is its most important duty, and here, it has failed. It has, by its naive and incoherent liberalism, endangered the foundations of England.

  • billybob

    Christianity died when the Pope allowed the Quran to be read from the Vatican.
    Not one word of condemnation from any Christian body despite the endless atrocities committed against their followers.
    Just how many times did Jesus tell you to turn the other cheek?
    Early Christians were warriors in defence of their faith, today’s Christians cower under the demands of ‘diversity’ without even the guts to beg for Islam’s leftovers.

  • cestusdei

    Maybe they think they will be given a better deal once the Muslims have taken over? Fat chance. Stop it now before Iraq comes to the UK.

  • Mrs Josephine Hyde-Hartley

    Never mind the C of E. Rumour has it the Pope is thinking about going to Iraq for a visit.. Let’s hope he ends up roaring down the Mosul dam on his motorbike. I’ve heard he used to knock about on a Harley-Davidson.

  • Jennifer Prestash

    The C of E is the Labour Party at prayer (or what’s left of prayer in the C of E) just like in America the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops is the Democrat Party at prayer.

  • evad666

    Rowan Williams has much to answer for with his support silence.

    • steveherts

      The man was and is a disaster for the Church of England incapable of leadership and worshipping not the living God revealed in Scripture but rather a philosophical abstraction of his own creation, laden with his liberal relativism.Though now retired or (retreated to academia) he is still a threat to the CofE as he will be dispensing his liberal nonsense to a new generation of clerics.

  • Michael H Kenyon

    Religious leaders of every ilk are downright envious of the power of Islam and the devoutness/ obedience of it’s laity, so it’s no surprise that they selectively ignore the unpleasantness which gives away the overbearing, irrational, brutal and sentimental nature of religion generally. Western religious leaders are only as liberal and cuddly as they are because that’s how power expresses itself in the west.

    • itbeso

      Western religious leaders are only as liberal and cuddly as they are because – they have had their teeth pulled.

      • Michael H Kenyon

        I wish I could agree with you their teeth had been pulled. I think it more likely that for expedience’s sake liberals have been appointed, mouths have been closed, and mealy expressions adopted. All of this can change. A socially conservative religious revival in the UK mirroring Islam’s reactionary tendencies would soon re-sharpen the teeth of our religious leaders again; 50 years ago many Islamic countries (and their populations) were significantly more liberal, tolerant and multicultural than they are now.

  • judyk113

    Very good and timely article, Damian. But you don’t bring out the disastrous role the CofE hierarchy has played in legitimising the entryist Islamists of the Muslim Brotherhood and the Jamaat al Islamiya as respected partners and the voice of UK Islam through their engagement in interfaith work. The CofE nominees in these pernicious partnerships have actively supported these Islamists in discrediting, blacklisting and marginalising genuine UK Muslim leaders and religious academics who are appalled at the CofE’s complicity in legitimzing the Islamists, who are representative of only a tiny minority of the UK’s Muslims. To their great shame, the official leadership
    of the UK’s Jewish community has been just as involved in this delusional and dangerous legitation of Islamist entryism in the UK.

    Sam Westrop’s study has documented the mind boggling process, showing the appalling track record of the Islamists now given wholly undeserved legitimacy and influence thanks to Rowan Williams’ direction of the CofE

  • Jonathan Swift

    Why? Because the CoE would have to acknowledge that a religion was inherently harmful to the world, and we all know religion is inherently positive. Religion can do no wrong. All the evil done in the world in the name of islam is just the exception. Those guys aren’t the real muslims. It’s all about peace and harmony, man.

    • Mike

      Religion is inherently positive when it has no power such as Christianity and many other religions. Islam has the power (government) and the culture firmly in its grasp and there lies the problem. Examples – Syria, a civil war between religious sects worshiping the same religion or genocide, the slaughter of non Islamic followers in Iraq & Egypt. The religion is the culture is the force is the evil !

    • steveherts

      We need to open the Koran and subject it to the kind of scrutiny and detailed analysis that the Bible and Christ Jesus have been subjected to. Why have the Koran and the so-called prophet Mohammed not been the object of open discussion and study? Why is there no discussion of the 100 + verses in the Koran that call for the death of those who refuse to submit to it. This 6th century cult is based on forced conversion and territorial conquest-which we have seen throughout its history and we see today. The C of E has colluded in propagating the myth that Islam is a religion of peace- Islam means submission not peace and is completely incompatible with the values of a free democratic society. The C of E, with the exception of Bishop Nazir Ali has refused to confront the reality of Islam and in doing so has exposed its own spiritual hollowness and the faithlessness of its Bishops.

  • In2minds

    Brilliant post, pity about the loon in the photo, Williams was worse than pathetic.

    • ArchiePonsonby

      Agreed! i wonder how many people of faith – including yours truly – that vacillating lefty turned away from the CofE?

      • Damaris Tighe

        Most importantly, how many young men looking for the boundaries that religion provides, have been turned off by the woolly touchy-feeliness of their native church, & turned to Islam instead.

        • ArchiePonsonby

          Indeed so, and I’m reliably informed that the Church is similarly infected in most of the English-speaking world.

      • steveherts

        Whatever he is, he is not a follower of Christ Jesus-in fact he is embarrassed to mention the name of Jesus in his public pronouncements. Unfortunately he continues to dispense his liberal nonsense in academia . An imposter!

    • steveherts

      Williams is the enemy of the true Church and an imposter who does not affirm the reality of the living God revealed through Christ because he does not believe in it. He will talk about anyone and anything except Christ Jesus-his latest contribution is to tell us that he prays the buddhist way. Why Jesus taught us how to pray. We hear so much about this mans supposed intelligence but see very little tangible evidence of it.

  • Pat Conway

    Religion and hypocrisy go hand in hand. Preach one thing and practice another.

    • lookout

      Only one thing agreed with by both Lenin and the Lord Jesus Christ, religion is useless. Everyone needs someone to pay the price for their own sin, Jesus paid for it in full.

  • itbeso

    “Archbishop Rowan Williams supported the extension of Sharia in this country.”

    Which just highlights the deep ignorance of the man regarding Islam.

    • GUBU

      The last thing I would call Rowan Williams is ignorant. He is a very erudite man – which made him completely unfit to be Archbishop of Cantebury.

      Rather, I would say that he was so reasonable, so prepared to see and if possible accomodate the other person’s point of view, that he does not appreciate the damage that such a compromise will ultimately inflict.

      Naive, perhaps – which is just as dangerous – but not ignorant.

      • itbeso

        He can still be ignorant on a specific topic. We all can. Reread my post, I’m not calling him ignorant in general just (possibly willfully) ignorant regarding islam and specifically sharia ‘law’.

        • Mike

          I agree, he’s probably ignorant of the dangers of Islam because he ‘s too lazyd to do a little research and relies on left wing progressives to ‘advise’ him. We see exactly the same issues with leaders of LibLabCon who are surrounded by advisers like the ex Warsi as a token ethnic minority figure to ask about minority issues.

          Nigel Farage has boxed rather cleverly around this one and given the backlash he would get if he came out and called a spade a spade, he has tackled it from the mass immigration angle. I don’t blame him in the slightest but if he ever got to a position of power, I think we’d see the overt bias to pander to Islam be reversed and made to be balanced and obey the laws of the land.

          • Damaris Tighe

            Hope so, but if UKIP continues with its policy of recruiting token muslims then he would have a problem with this.

        • GUBU

          The answer, I would respectfully suggest, is not to reread each other’s posts. We might do better to read what Rowan Williams actually said about sharia law – it was clearly, whether you agree with it or not, the product of both research and reflection.

          Williams’ speech acknowledged the clear danger that sharia can be used as a mechanism to enforce the most regressive interpretation of Islam. The problem was that he had no substantive answer to that challenge – his congenital disposition to reasonableness led him to assume that those with whom he sought to find an accomodation would act, or ultimately be persuaded to act, in the same spirit of compromise.

          As with many an intellectual before him, Williams’ ideas might have looked perfectly logical on the page, or when presented in debate, but they would never survive contact with the real world – they certainly wouldn’t pass muster with Michael Adebolajo and his chums.

          So ignorant, most definitely not. Naive to the point of stupidity – very much so.

      • steveherts

        Well, I think the point here is ignorant regarding Islam as most of the CofE hierarchy are. Erudition does not equate to wisdom and certainly does not equate to spiritual discernment which this man clearly lacks.

  • Barakzai

    Vicky Beeching told ‘Sunday’s’ listeners that having settled gender equality (the vote on Women bishops) the CoE’s next great challenge is sexual equality. I’m sure she’s correct. Garrulous lefty bishops and opinionated Guardian columnists (that’d be you, Giles Fraser) deservedly will be seen as inconsequential for prioritising political correctness over the existentialist threat from bloodthirsty adherents of the RofP.

  • steveherts

    Excellent article.The C of E only appoints Liberal revisionist Bishops and has done so for many years, cowardly and unworthy shepherds of the flock more interested in compromising the Faith with the political or social trends of the day. Its Bishops speak out on issues only when it is safe to do so-usually pronouncing liberal and multicultural platitudes that have no relationship to Scripture. Rowen Williams is a fine example of this breed. Christians have been slaughtered and persecuted across the Middle-East for years-and yet these incompetent faithless cowards have remained mute in their response.
    Where are the marches on Downing Street demanding action, the campaigns to defend our christian brothers and sisters? Where is the real engagement with Islam and the revelation of what the Koran actually says and teaches with its multiple exhortations to fight and kill those who reject it? These men capitulate, confuse, and compromise.
    We who love the Church yearn for the day when we will once again have men of real Christ centred faith to lead us.

  • sarahsmith232

    Great piece. Agree with it 100%.
    Does the Bishop not realise that he’s demanding we view Christian refugees as exceptional, different from your commonly garden Muslim ones, so should knowingly and intentionally base immigration policy on discrimination and inequality. That Christians are better than Muslims, so we should be taking more of them in.
    I actually agree with that. Our immigration policy should be based on discrimination and inequality. It actually already is. If a person is highly qualified and better educated then they will score more brownie points than if they can’t speak English and are illiterate. This is a type of discrimination that we as society wouldn’t blink an eye at, but we’re supposed to start jumping up and down if someone suggests that the same should be applied to an incomers cultural and religious background.
    This is silly. No two ways about it, it’s illogical. No justifiable or reasonable reason why one type of a discrimination should be considered acceptable but the other a shockingly vile example of fascism. Pakistani’s and Somali’s that are from a religiously conservative background can’t integrate, this should be seen as the basis for immigration policy from these parts of the world. Saying this is fine, basing immigration policy on this is fine, reducing immigration from the these parts of the world because of this is fine.

  • HookesLaw

    Too many bishops are just socialists in frocks. Their words are not worth listening to.

  • zanzamander

    Early Christians believed that Jews got the message of the god wrong. Then Muhammad came along and said that both Jews and Christians got god’s message wrong.

    This is the problem with monotheism, they can’t decide who’s got the correct message. I’d still go with Judaism, though.

    • HookesLaw

      And this post shows that the interweb attracts nutjobs like moths to a flame.

      • GUBU

        Pot. Kettle. Black.

        • HookesLaw

          No. Although speak for yourself if you want to.

    • itbeso

      How about none of the above.

  • zanzamander

    Unfortunately many Christians see Islam as essentially as extension of their own faith. They have fallen for the ruse laid down by early Muslims that Islam is an Abrahamic faith with roots in Jerusalem and that Jesus being one of their prophets too.

    This thinking led to US making friends with Islamists to overthrow Soviets in Afghanistan. US, and West – largely a Christian domain until recently, has seen Islam and Christian as the same faith on different tracks but heading towards the same destination. So what is there not to like?

    Also the other main glue that help bond this misplaced brotherly love is of course their common dislike of Judaism – ironically, the only truly Abrahamic faith that the other two usurpers now claim as their own.

    • HookesLaw

      Your post shows the danger of shoehorning facts to fit in with prejudice.

    • Mike

      One could equally argue that all far right groups evolved from right wing parties like the BNP from the Tories. I guess there is some similarity here when you look at the message these groups preach.

    • steveherts

      Christianity came out of Jewish religion and culture and is the fulfilment of it through Jesus Christ. We cannot understand Christ without understanding Judaism-the Jewish Scriptures (Old Testament) all point to the coming of the Messiah who will redeem the Jewish people and the world. Jesus is the living embodiment of that prophesy. The predominant features of the God of the Old and New Testament is mercy, forgiveness and lovingkindness. Islam is a random and confused mix of ideas gleaned from Judaism and Christianity-remember Mohammed initially followed Jewish ideas before he rejected them and slaughtered the Jews in his midst. Islam is a cult that seeks to conquer the world by force if necessary not peaceful conversion. It has no concept of the loving redeemer and Muslims can only rely upon the mercy of the omnipotent all- conquering diety they call Allah.

  • Robertus Maximus

    For what it’s worth, here is an email I sent yesterday to the Bishop of Leeds, who sent that letter to Cameron………sorry to bore you all but the C of E’s hypocrisy really winds me up!

    Dear Bishop,

    As a Christian I welcome your letter to David Cameron – for what it’s worth, last week I emailed him, the Home Secretary, and the Foreign Secretary urging them to take action on this matter.

    However, Iraq is just one area where Christians are persecuted in the Middle East and for the past three years I have, at different times, written to Rowan Williams when he was Archbishop of Canterbury, the present Archbishop of Canterbury, and the Bishop of London. I asked why they were not crying out to the Heavens – or rather the media – in support of the dying Christian community. Well, you mention the Government failing to reply to the question in the House of Lords, but, even though my humble petitions to the C of E leadership were of far less weight, I received not one reply – in fact not one acknowledgment. When, in exasperation, I phoned Lambeth Palace, my concerns were greeted with the very terse reply, “Well, I have heard what you have to say.” When I repeated my concerns those very same words (Well, I have heard what you have to say) were repeated to me.

    Finally, last week, a last gasp attempt by me to contact Archbishop Welby was acknowledged. However, it seemed to me that just as the Government only act when they are pushed, so does the Church of England – unless that is to comment on domestic political matters.

    Many people I speak to now regard the C of E as more a political organisation than religious one and have left. Many were furious when senior Church figures, having quite rightly very publicly condemned the banking industry, then laid into the Tory government for the subsequent cuts, failing to condemn Labour’s woeful mismanagement of the economy which helped precipitate the hardship caused to so many. This just confirmed to them the C of E’s Nelsonian blind-eye to fairness and hinted at a deep-seated bias.

    Along with my attempts to elicit some response and action from the C of E, I have also failed to receive replies from five senior cabinet ministers, so the C of E and the polticians seem to share a lot in common.

    Bishop, I was baptised into the Church of England in 1954 but it is no longer my home, in fact I no longer go to church. I pray with friends and support Christian charities, as THEY actually do something.

    • HookesLaw

      I agree about the politicisation of the CofE, a lefty politicisation in my view.
      but I disagree with the premise of your argument against the government.
      Firstly I do not see the persecution of foreign christians as any different from the persecution of other religions or sects within a religion. The job of the govt is to work with others and stop persecution everywhere. When it sought to lead the way with preventing the murder of civilians in Syria the Labour Party played politics and prevented it. From what I remember the bishops were silent.
      But also I do not agree with the notion that the govt are doing nothing to help in the current crisis. They are, and in helping they have of necessity to allow America to take the lead.
      In other respect whilst it is easy to complain I am not sure what you expect this govt or any other foreign govt to do to stop for instance persecution in the wilds of Nigeria. Nigeria being a massive and populous independent country. It has primitive but large armed forces. Are we to declare war on Nigeria? Of course in fact Nigeria itself is fighting boko haram and being accused of war crimes in the process. Just how dirty and unchristian do you want us to be in doing more of the same?

      • Robertus Maximus

        Firstly, thank goodness the otherwise useless Miliband did “play politics” otherwise ISIS would have a monumental cache of arms – much of it supplied by us.

        Secondly, I do not expect the government to get involved fighting wars to protect Christians, merely to point out where it occurs and at least condemn it – and not just Christians but any religious or ethnic group facing annihilation. Please point out where I advocated Britain using military force to solve any of these problems. I urged immediate humanitarian assistance to the Christians, Yazidis, and anyone else, but it suited your “argument” to assume I meant declaring war!

        Finally, “Just how dirty and unchristian do you want us to be in doing more of the same?” is a cheap comment. You really couldn’t resist sticking that piece of vitriol on the end could you!

    • steveherts

      Dear Robertus many thanks for your post and thanks for your persistence in trying to defend the rights of our persecuted Christian brothers and sisters-I am fully in agreement with your comments regarding the C of E-which is lead by weak, cowardly and politically motivated Bishops-it is spiritually rotten and in need of reform-only liberal revisionist Bishops are appointed peddling moral relativism (see my post above). As a communicant member of the C of E and regular worshipper-I would urge you to attend services and contend for the Faith-question the vicar if you hear nonsense preached, ask by what authority it is preached if it is not scripturally based. We cannot abandon the flock and let the wolves run amok. The Church needs you and the thousands like you. Please look at if you want to support Christians facing persecution.

      • Robertus Maximus

        Dear Steve, how kind of you to post this comment. I will think about what you suggest and look again at my decision not to attend services. I do go to church but only when it is empty and I can pray on my own. Thank you also for the link. At present I donate to “Open Doors”, who I discovered when the admirable Ulster Unionists forced that debate in the Commons about persecution of Christians and said “Open Doors” supplied most of the data. I also support “Christian Solidarity Worldwide” who earlier this week emailed me a form to send a plea to the Iranian Head of “Justice” (such as there is) to release both Christian and political prisoners. They also urge you to write to imprisoned Christians which I have done. I actually feel far closer to God doing those admittedly paltry things than I have ever done sitting in a church – but I will take on board your advice.

        • steveherts

          Dear Robertus, Its wonderful to hear of the support your have given to our fellow Christian brothers and sisters who suffer in the name of Christ. May the Blessing of the Lord Jesus be upon you.

          • Robertus Maximus

            I am moved by your kind words. May Lord Jesus always watch over you.

        • Declan Kennedy


          Thanks for those links. Very helpful.

  • Mike

    Sure, the Christian church has hypocrisy by the bucketful but unlike Cameron they seem to have woken up to the threat of Islam. Now all we desperately need to do is wake everyone else up in the UK to this real and growing danger from within our midst that is Islam.

    Any one who actively supports militant Islam should be arrested on hate crimes and the majority who inactively stand by whilst their fellow Islamist carry out hate crimes as just as bad and should be named and shamed. Looking the other way is NOT an option now that Islam has been emboldened by our lack of resolves to crush hate crimes inspired through Islam.

    The London bombings by Islamic psychos and even more that attempted bombing at Edinburgh airport by so called Muslim Professionals (Doctors) clearly identifies that its the religion that is the problem, as educated or not, it fuels hate and death to non believers by too many of the Islamic faith. We’ve had the Lee Rigby slaughter in the name of Islam, this week we’ve seen supermarkets bullied to remove kosher food by Islamic inspired hate mongers, what will it take to wake our leaders up to the real threat that’s growing daily.

    Will it take a small nuclear device exploding, poisoning of water reservoirs, a Kenyan shopping mall style massacre or a rogue Muslim soldier shooting up the army barracks for Cameron to smell the coffee. It will happen and very soon if this government doesnt crack down on Islamic extremism.

    • Kevinr

      It’s good to know some people are waking up to the threat posed by Islamisation. Jihad theology and Islamic supremacism go hand in hand as mandated by the Quran and it’s writer Mohammed. The more we shrink from the challenge the more emboldened Islamists become. For too long this country has ignored the very people who understand this threat to our values and liberties, even banning them to avoid upsetting left wing pressure groups and Islamists as in the case of Robert Spencer and Pamella Gellar. We have to change and discover that far from hate, criticism of intolerance is necessary to confront injustice, and that in avoiding such criticism we are already defeated. Wake up Mr Cameron before it is too late.

  • TonyT12

    Well said.

    We need to get our own house in order as well. While Washington and Westminster rightly rushed helicopters and air-drops to N. Iraq to help the Yazidis in their desperate plight, this coincided with a period where we turned our eyes away from the mass slaughter of civilians in Gaza and in East Ukraine, many of whom are Christians.

    Beyond the unquestionable barbarism of IS, Western politicians including our own are complicit in the unrest not only in Iraq, but also in Palestine and Ukraine. Few in Westminster seem to show much meaningful interest in the collateral damage caused by our politics endorsing and enabling Israel’s anger against Gazans, and by London/Washington’s zeal for a new Cold War with Russia initiated by interference in Ukraine’s government which ignited their civil war.

    All three war-zones are areas where Westminster could exercise influence if it chose to, but so far it chooses the opposite. We need to help those civilians in need, but we need also to reevaluate our politics which create these humanitarian crises in the first place.

  • JCF

    I feel incredibly ambivalent about this. On the one hand, it’s terrible
    when ANY population is oppressed and terrorized and killed (for example,
    the Yazidis).

    On the other—and remember, we Christians have learned and taught this for nearly 2 millenia: “the blood of martyrs is the seed of the church.”

    Our religion has the CROSS at its center. Being killed is horrible…but it’s NOT the worst thing. That is our faith. We believe in the resurrection.

    …and yet that’s cold comfort from the Safe West, to the Christians of Iraq.

    So, I’m ambivalent. I honestly believe that the FAITHFUL thing, is for us
    Safe Western Christians to GO TO these oppressed places, with our
    witness and nonviolent direct action, and possibly die there.

    But I don’t even have a passport. And in just about every other respect, in
    terms of flying to Iraq and offering something worthwhile there, I probably could not be LESS prepared.

    But the idea of agitating “Save the Christians/Kill the Muslims!” makes me want to vomit—because I think it makes Christ vomit.

    But the one thing I CAN agree with? “Save the Yazidis”…and if Christians are saved thereby, also, Thanks Be To God. My <2c.

    • Alexandrovich

      So how do you save the Yazedis without killing the Muslims?

    • Span Ows

      JCF, what you say may be ‘Christian’ in the literal sense but how many other-cheek-turnings need to happen to change the mind of the beheader? One is too many and we know many thousands wouldn’t change that extremist’s mind so the route you propose just won’t work. Sometimes you need to be cruel to be kind and patting a rabid dog on the head to calm it isn’t going to work. Sometimes a limb is lost to save the body. Sometimes a child dies to save 100 more. Sometimes a dozen are killed but thousands saved. Surely the best way is the effective way to save as many as possible. This means unfortunately you will have to suffer nausea whilst those that can, do.

    • GUBU

      Possibly die there? Almost certainly die there, I would suggest, unless you are prepared to convert to Islam. As you may have noticed, ISIS are very good at direct action, not very good at the non violence bit – and to their fighters, what they are doing is as much a form of witness as your own.

      We have been witnessing the decline of Christian communities across the Middle East for some decades now, and we are reaching the point at which the threat to some of these communities is now an existential one. Our own policies, perhaps unintentionally, have contributed to that process.

      Perhaps you should agitate for our government, in concert with others, to offer asylum to as many of these people as we can manage. You won’t need a passport to do that.

      • lookout

        Many Christians have gone to the troubled regions of the world for centuries, there are many now in Iraq, sometimes they make it back the rest go home.

  • Lidlscanner

    Church of England is happier leading anti-Jewish hate fests in Piccadilly for example than complaining about the ‘wrong’ sort of Christian in the Middle East – not so much brotherly love rather a church in deep trouble infected by progressive liberalism. Pressing the self detonate button would be a blessing but it will probably go out with a whimper and a bleat in accordance with its hopelessly corrupt ministry.

    • Wessex Man

      ah a nice little Israeli supporter’s rant against the Anglican Church, your post shows all the toleration I would expect of you.

      • Generian

        ah a nice little hamas supporter’s rant against the ‘Jews’.

      • Kevinr

        Which says more about you than it does about him.

      • Damaris Tighe

        You know, I’d love to count the number of times you use the word ‘rant’ to describe the opinions you simply disagree with. It’s the most common word in your posting vocabulary. Yet the only regular poster here who is a regular ranter is you.

        Pot. Kettle. Black. And projection.

      • lookout

        Walid, just for you.

  • Rex Ironsmith

    Good article. The threat that Islam presents to western values was laid bare during the Rushdie affair. What was the Church’s response then? –

  • Paddy S

    I think it speaks volumes that the churches in England (Protestant and Catholic) and in Ireland too btw have only recently begun speaking out about the persecution. I mean all the bishops should have signed their names to a letter criticising Islamic persecution (cos they’re source of much of it) in all the newspapers in Britain that would get not only attention but making Christian persecution un-ignorable.
    Yet more would rather bash Tory cuts. Speaks volumes of Christian leadership in both countries…..

    • Sarka

      I am English but live in the Czech Republic. Glancing at the Czech headlines to the right on my homepage this morning I was grimly amused by the first one..Translates as “Even the Pope Loses Patience with Islamists”!

  • English Majority

    “They have warned us (rightly) against Islamophobia….”.

    You discredited yourself with this sentence.

    There’s no such thing as ‘Islamophobia’, Damian. What you refer to as ‘Islamophobia’ is merely people noticing that hordes of Muslims, both globally and domestically, are destroying the remnants of Western civilisation.

    As for the Church’s attitude and politics: its no wonder Christianity is dying.

    • Ooh!MePurse!

      Indeed. It is not illogical to fear having one’s head hacked off.

    • Shazza

      Well said! Damian, along with the other religious/political leaders is just as dhimmified as them.

      It is not just Christianity that is dying, what we are seeing is The Fall of the Roman Empire II.

      Our Western, civilised democracy is being sacrificed on the altar of political correctness.

      The problem is the ideology of islam and and it’s refusal to relinquish 7th century primitive dogma.

  • Stephen Milroy

    I like the Church of England when it is being a church, and a lot less when it is being a student lefty hippie congregation. I wish Michael Nazir Ali was the AB of C, he would point out the threat the UK faces.

    • Colonel Mustard

      Everything in the current UK comes down to the total left wing subversion of the establishment. Look at Bercow, a supposed conservative, the Speaker of the House, and the way he behaves. He is quite open about being a radical progressive, almost Benn-like in his barminess.

      • GUBU

        Bercow was subverted by his wife, who was the first woman to ever pay him attention. And what a woman!

        He’s also a trougher of the first order.

    • Sarka

      Nazir Ali was and is clear-sighted. But then he is a Christian from Pakistan – he knows the score.
      Incidentally, last Wednesday two associations jointly organised a vigil outside Downing Street to protest against the persecution of Yazidis and Christians (and others) by IS. One of the associations was Kurdish, the other was the Association of Pakistani Christians. Not many anglo-Christians in sight!

      • Damaris Tighe

        Didn’t Nazir Ali step down as Bishop? Presumably because he felt he was knocking his head against a brick wall?

      • mrs1234

        Most Anglo- Christians, like most of the population, are completely in the dark as to the extent of Christian persecution in Muslim countries. It is something that, to our shame, has been kept off the media agenda.

  • anyfool

    The C of E is like the Labour Party, poisoning the well of goodwill it had in general among the population at large, it deserves every bit of ill heading its way, like the Labour Party it has put the ideologies of its elites before the interests of it members and public at large, both will suffer dramatic drops in its support from the base they were formed from.

    • West Point

      Why is Labour leading in the polls then?

      • Span Ows

        Despite trying extremely hard they’re not being quite crappy enough yet and the 30% permanently red-rosetted dullards are the ones propping them up.

      • Inverted Meniscus

        Because its core vote of public servants, welfare dependants etc are greedy and stupid and have no idea of the terrible economic legacy of the last Labour maladministration.

      • Colonel Mustard

        Don’t conflate leading in the polls with being popular. That is a presumption Labour tribalists always make.

        Latest YouGov has them on 36% which is about the proportion of their bribed, imported and manufactured rent-seeking clientele + useful idiots. That means 64% would not vote Labour therefore the majority of voters can be said to be anti-Labour.

        • John Gerard

          Labour will win the election, though. You watch.

          • evad666

            I assume you really mean the left wing of the ruling LibLabCon Party.

            • John Gerard

              Heh heh. Yes, I suppose so, let’s put it that way. We may as well.

      • anyfool

        “heading its way” and “will suffer” are not present tense phrases.

        But as to its current polling figures between 30 & 35 per cent, this after the Tories have had 4 years of bitter and biased attacks, if you cannot see the writing on the wall I would suggest a trip to Specsavers.

      • Shazza

        Among other reasons –

        Public Sector workers with cushy deals

        Demographics – hordes of grateful 3rd world immigrants deliberately imported by Labour

        Work shy benefit claimants

        Relentless Leftie propaganda via BBC/Sky/MSM

        Tribalism as in Wales where the culture is ‘it is all Maggie’s fault’

        PC Conservative leaders who are too scared to confront the truth re subjects such as immigration and the islamification of the UK.

        Apathy of the general public – can’t be arsed to vote.

      • Blindsideflanker

        Because they are faced with a pretty useless Conservative party, who rather than attacking the lefts barmy political ideology has capitulated the political territory.

        Labour leading in the polls at 30% isn’t winning anything, they are just in the lead of the most discredited political establishment.

      • evad666

        Because the Labour luvvies run the polling companies?

  • Archibald Heatherington

    Well said. I admire the Church of England greatly in many ways, so it pains me to watch their eternal vacillation and hypocritical self-flagellation.

  • Philip Rees

    Absolutely right. The Anglican church is ruled by liberals;
    however the debacle of not facing the threat of Islam and Sharia is just one
    aspect. Acceptance of homosexual practice
    and Gay marriage is another. Therefore do not condemn their failure in one
    department without recognising the other as that too is hypocritical.

    • Fergus Pickering

      What opn earth has homosexual behaviour got to do with it? You are obsessed.

      • Span Ows

        I think he is just stating what is seen as another reason for the Church’s ‘decline’: it becomes weakened by continual pandering to any passing whim. Meanwhile Islam stays strong, strict and focused.

        • Fearitself73

          “Meanwhile Islam stays strong, strict and focused”

          And yet any sane person would rather live in a country in which Christianity accepts “homosexual practice and Gay marriage” than in a country dominated by an Islam that is “strong, strict and focused”.

          • Span Ows

            I don’t think anyone is suggesting otherwise. I just assume that people of faith like their faith to remain ‘what they signed up to’ or there doesn’t seem to be any point. I support Arsenal but if they decided they were going to become Manchester United and share a team, stadium and kit then I would very quickly NOT be an Arsenal fan.

            • Fearitself73

              People, even though they may share the same faith, don’t share the same interpretation of that faith. Justin Welby didn’t sign up for the same faith as Westboro Baptist Church

              • Span Ows

                I agree entirely; I was just suggesting to Fergus why Philip Rees had brought up the subject of gay marriage etc.

        • HookesLaw

          Islam is focussed? Really?
          Why then are the various interminable sects of Islam continually busy killing each other? Why don’t you just sit down and do a simple sum – the interweb may well help you – and work out just how many Muslims have killed other Muslims in say the last 10 or 15years? Iraq Body Count might be a good place to start, but the mutually assured destruction inflicted by one Muslin group on another extends far beyond that. Don’t forget to add in the Muslims killed in the Twin Towers.


          • Span Ows

            As always you seem to go out of your way to misunderstand. Islam is completely focussed: where do you think they will turn when the ‘other sects’ are defeated by the stronger sect? The same places they are concentrating on now.


      • HookesLaw

        Well you are correct – and like I said earlier the interweb attracts nutjobs (11 Guest Votes I note) like moths to a flame – or should it be flies to a dungheap?

    • steveherts

      These are all symptoms of the spiritual rottenness of the CofE-inspired by its faithless Bishops-mostly career professionals.Gay marriage is a great example-its is completely contrary to Scripture and directly contradicts the words of Christ himself in Matthew.By what authority are they trying to introduce this grotesque parody of marriage? Not by scripture. The result of decades of liberal relativism will be empty churches and schism-which is what we have seen in America.

  • Tony_E

    The C of E is a relic, thrashing around in a well of socialist ideology desperately searching for some relevance in a world that has left it behind.

    Cameron should use his head and pay Welby and his army of 1960s student protesters in cassoks no mind.

    • Wessex Man

      For every socialist thrashing around the Church theres a dozen fair minded right of centre demcorats like myself but that doesn’t fit your prejudices does it?

  • wattys123

    Great call, well said – the church said nothing about the UK Pakistani Muslim grooming eppedemic

    • sebastian2

      I guess the C of E is more cowardly about being thought “islamophobic” than courageous in defending Christians and Christianity.

  • toco10

    Archbishop Welby,the Bishops of Leeds and Manchester and others in the top management tier of the dwindling Church of England should take a leaf out of the Pope’s book by actually visiting some parts of the Middle East rather than skulking in their palaces or palatial homes eating three very good meals a day cossetted in a hugely privileged existence.Entering the realm of politics without any sort of mandate and totally ignorant of the real facts in the case of the Middle East is self indulgent nonsense perhaps because they have far too much time on their hands from an often easy and not very demanding way of life.Whatever happened to humility once taught by the Church of England before it was taken over by career egotists whose self importance beggars belief.If they wish to pontificate on any and every issue which springs to mind they should join the democratic process and stand in some sort of Election process.

    • almarsh

      Abp Welby has very considerable personal experience of terrorism in Nigeria where he was held hostage on more than one occasion. How about you, toco?

      • toco10

        As an executive he may have, like so many people, have encountered difficulties in Nigeria but not in his new career as a member of the Church of England.Also I was highlighting the difficulties in the Middle East where the situation is a tad more complex-the last I heard Nigeria is still in West Africa.

        • almarsh

          You have not heard of Boko Haram, apparently. Have you been to Northern Nigeria? Mosul? Aleppo? Thought not.

          • Span Ows

            Surely with such experience he should be even more outspoken or is he forgiving them? Or is he doing what the BBC does: lie and omit news and facts to ensure their reporters aren’t disturbed.

            • Wessex Man

              He’s doing no such thing! He and the vast majority of our faith are trying and have been trying for some time to highlight the plight of middle eastern Christians, however it doesn’t sell papers and the BBC would rather not report it!

              I rather think this article is more inspired by a dislike of the Anglican faith than any other reason.

  • Conway

    “They have warned us (rightly) about Islamophobia …” You mean they have shut off all debate about the threat which the ideology of islam poses by calling it islamophobia, don’t you?

    • Andy

      He means they have failed, miserably, to defend and proclaim their own faith.

  • Youbian

    Well said

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