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‘Hopeless’ Warsi ‘resisting’ David Cameron’s fight against extremism

8 July 2014

The government has failed to produce an adequate strategy to tackle non-violent extremism because the minister in charge of it is said to disagree with the Prime Minister’s approach, sources have told Coffee House.

Baroness Warsi is alleged by multiple sources in and out of government to have consistently resisted calls to develop a proper strategy on integration and tackling extremism at its roots, even though this is the Prime Minister’s policy and part of her job at the Communities and Local Government department. One source says: ‘Sayeeda made clear when she got the job at CLG that she didn’t agree with the Prime Minister and that she simply wasn’t going to do this bit of her job.’ The minister has clashed with the Prime Minister over his efforts to tackle extremism, most notably during the drafting of a report from the Extremism Taskforce, when, as Coffee House has previously reported, the pair had an argument while Warsi was on a plane.

The Extremism Taskforce was set up, The Spectator understands, to overcome the difficulty in coming up with any policy to counter non-violent extremism while Warsi held the brief, but the minister objected to the panel consulting experts who she disagreed with, including the Quilliam Foundation, and some of the conclusions of the taskforce, which the Prime Minister set out last winter. Downing Street denies that this was one of the reasons the Taskforce was set up, arguing that it was solely in response to the murder of Lee Rigby. An integration strategy was published in 2012, but sources tell Coffee House that it is widely considered inadequate.

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Warsi is alleged to disagree with the Prime Minister’s approach that he laid out in his 2011 Munich speech on extremism, and is alleged to face no pressure from senior ministers in the Communities and Local Government department on this matter. One Westminster source says: ‘Eric [Pickles] is not particularly interested in this issue, and so it is easy for her not to do anything.’

Former Home Office minister Baroness Neville-Jones is concerned by a lack of drive and funding for a successful integration strategy. She says:

‘There has to be a conscious integration programme and it certainly needs to include young people who are Muslims, but not just young Muslims, it has to cover whole parts of our society. It has to be organised in a way which appeals to young people.

‘There needs to be some government money and support in this because we have got to get these things going. It needs commitment from every part of government at all levels to see this happen. As things stand, I do not think there’s enough money, or enough drive.’

Others who have worked on this feel the problem is bigger than Warsi’s personal convictions. Dominic Cummings, a former adviser to Michael Gove who has recently published research on public attitudes to the EU and the Human Rights Act, says:

‘First, the cross-Whitehall processes for dealing with extremism are a joke. Second, the interaction of the ECHR/Human Rights Act with judicial review, Whitehall processes, and Number 10’s operation makes it impossible for good officials to reverse this. Third, Warsi is hopeless.

‘Fourth, the embedding of lawyers in intelligence services’ operations because of Whitehall interpretations of the Human Rights Act is a disaster. Fifth, it’s a good rule of thumb that when you hear about a group of nutters, the first question to ask is which bit of the state is funding them.’

The Government denies these criticisms. A source says:

‘These allegations are simply not true. The Government has an agreed strategy on tackling extremism and encouraging integration which all ministers support.’

And the Communities and Local Government department rejects the suggestion that Warsi disagrees with the Prime Minister and has been resisting developing a proper strategy, and that Pickles is insufficiently interested in this area to pressure his junior minister. A DCLG ministerial spokesman says:

‘DCLG ministers are committed to confronting and challenging extremism in all its forms, tackling the violence and hatred that seeks to create division. We are championing what unites our country across class, colour and creed.

‘We have rejected Labour’s Prevent programme, which created resentment, undermined community cohesion and wasted taxpayers’ money.’

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  • william

    The best way to resolve this problem is to use the Law. Forget anti-terrorism legislation and all the rest of it: Utilise the Treason Laws. Anyone who is plotting and scheming to overturn the British State and replace it with a fascist islamic caliphate is a traitor, Let’s convict them accordingly – and any collaborators and quislings too – such as human rights lawyers who knowingly scheme to protect self-confessed traitors.
    Once this process starts I think you would see a rapid and voluntary exodus of these unwelcome invaders.
    Repeal Labour’s disastrous Human Rights Act in its entirety and the death penalty returns for Treachery.
    If the Conservatives want to secure a massive majority then these are the sort of policies that would deliver that very thing – label Labour as the pro-moslem pro-mass immigration party that it is. Their share of the white vote was already little more than 20% in 2010 – make it trend to zero.

  • SorryI’llGetMyCoat

    She didn’t do her job and no-one voted for her. No loss.

  • Tommy S

    ‘Answers to common questions to new Muslims’ (Published 1993
    by the Islamic Assembly of North America):
    Question: I live in an area in which most of the residents are from our brethren Christians. We eat and drink with some of them. Is my prayer not valid and my living with them not allowed?

    Answer: Before responding to the question, I would like to comment on something that I hope you said unintentionally. This is your statement, “Our brethren Christians”. There is never any brotherhood between Muslims and Christians. Brotherhood must be based on faith
    — You should try to remain away from mixing with nonMuslims because mixing with them removes your religious zealousness and pride from your heart and may lead you to having love and compassion in your heart for them…….. to take him as a companion, close friend and dining associate, this is not allowed. Allah has cut off such ties of love, loyalty and friendship between Muslims and disbelievers.
    ………Based on these, a Muslim is not allowed to have love and compassion in his heart for the enemies of Allah who are in reality his own enemies
    ……. Allah has stated, ‘You (0 Muhammad) will not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day making friendship with those who oppose Allah and His Messenger, even if they were their fathers, or their sons, or their brothers, or their kin.
    ….. It is confirmed that the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said. .”Do not be the first to greet a Jew or Christian with peace. And if you come across them in the walkway, force them to the edges.”

    Ouch that hurt

  • Can414

    Problem is – we view Islam as a religion. It is not. Period. It is a cult. Just because a cult has become oversized with over a billion followers does not make it a religion. The hallmark of any cult is sexual slavery, violence, intolerance towards others and general lack of humanity. Islam fits all this. Dont tell me that other religion fit this criteria as well…because the truth is – all religion has a cultish past, but they’ve overgrown it. They might have scriptures which preach hate but they have learnt to ignore them. Islam on the other hand, steadfastedly clings to these scriptures and retains its cult identity. Freedom of religion shud not extend to Islam as it is not a religion but a cult.

  • Bradleybear

    This is all Warsi is interested in stopping us from talking about muslims ,she seems to think they do nothing wrong in the world.

  • AJH1968

    Islamists always remind me of the school bully who when he receives a richly deserved drubbing cries bloody murder to all and sundry. The bully is not particularly bright and more often than not he’s schemes achieve little or nothing but he carries himself like a lion across the savannah. The fact that our bien pensants toady up to these wretched people is beyond the pale. It is not that our enemy is particulary brave cunning or intelligent. It is that our elite are so supine and incompetent in the face of such an underwhelming onslaught.

  • DaHitman

    Hmm now why would a Muslim be against the fight of extremism…………….well we all know but can’t say because it wouldn’t be ‘PC’ even though it’s the truth

  • Chris Whitelaw

    Seems to me that the Prime Minister giveth, and the Prime Minister taketh away. Strip her of her title and boot her out. She has no right to decide which parts of her job she will or will not do. As for the real issue, we have given far too much to Islam, and no mosque, not one, has unequivocally come out against terrorism. I don’t want Sharia law here, I don’t want Islam perverting the nature of our schools, and I certainly don’t want to see Muslim child rapists walk free from court because they convince some judge that they “didn’t know any better.” Live here by all means, but live OUR way, in OUR culture – exactly as you insist we do when we visit your country.

  • davidbfpo

    Apart from the occasional speech nearly EVERY elected national and local politician shies away from talking about these issues. David Cameron’s main speech on this government’s policy on ‘extremism’ was in Munich, yes it was covered by the media, but why in Munich?

    Under the UK national counter-terrorism strategy, known as Operation Contest, there is the ‘Prevent’ option, first to prevent violent extremism and under this government to prevent extremism. There is less money being spent, fewer people involved and very little grassroots, unpaid involvement.

    Prevent when I last looked had NEVER been discussed, let alone approved in a parliamentary debate; nor in a full meeting of those local councils seen as the focus.

    Baroness Warsi has her reported opinions and has as I recall at least argued in public against her critics (Newsnight versus Anjem Choudary IIRC). Very, very few others have – where are those voices?

  • Augustus

    Terrorism may not be ‘exclusively’ linked to ‘any one religion or ethnic group’, but it is certainly overbearingly the result of Islamic intolerance and extremism. Appointing someone like Lady Warsi to tackle this extremism is like building a house on known fault lines. It’s a foundation issue.

  • Sean L

    She has a vested interest in a separate political constituency defined by membership of the very group whose extremism her government is supposed to be resisting. Because membership of that group is her personal USP:.she serves no purpose otherwise. Thus she must run with the hare and hunt with the hounds.

  • JabbaTheCat

    For those interested in the background to the muslim trojan horse in the Tory party Warsi, would do well to read The Islamic Republic Of Dewsbury by Danny Lockwood, in particular chapter 18, aptly titled Her Ladyship…

  • Benbecula

    The politicians are part of the problem. Last week , during the revelations of a jihadist recruiter “from Aberdeen” ( via Pakistan ). Alex Salmond stood up in parliament and declared there would be :

    “zero tolerance” for those stigmatizing the islamic community .

    The only words ever uttered by him on the matter.

  • Mark

    I’d like to see Warsi and Abullah Al Andalusi get together and discuss secularism and democracy and see where they agree. I suspect she’d agree with him on many points. That isn’t a good thing at all.

  • NickG

    Warsi – as an apologist for Islam – is part of the problem.

    We won’t get to grips with Islamic fundamentalism until our political masters are honest about the fundamentals of Islam. There is little sign of this.

  • True_Belle

    Do Sunni and Shia and all the other associated waring tribes have a genetic predisposition to committing atrocities.. is there a frontal lobe malfunction?

  • Bonkim

    Stop all government funding to religious groups – integration has to depend on natural acceptance of British values by immigrants – you cannot fund integration programmes.

    Integration will only occur when immigrant groups – not just Muslims find that they gain by integrating or have to pay high cost for not integrating. Stop providing translators, and multi-lingual government publications, stop funding ethnic and cultural minority group activities, abolish the term ‘multi-cultural’ and its derivatives from all publications, radio, and TV, stop religious prayers at school, stop discussing minority problems in the media – if they have problems arising from their dysfunctional social and cultural factors – they deserve it. Make the cost of staying separate high.

  • swatnan

    I’m surprised that Warsi is resisting because she well knows the terrific backlash against the Muslim Communities if there is a repeat of 7/7. The Jihadists and Islamists will want to provoke a violent response and things will escalate uncontrollably. Innocents will be caught up in the conflagration.

  • Gwangi

    A ‘Successful integration strategy’? How about dumping the discredited and failed experiment of segregationist multiculturalism and pandering to anyone with a minority ethnic and religious background, and treating everyone not matter what skin colour or religion according to the same set of values?
    Oh no wait – if you publicly state that, and that the French are right in banning one woman tents and forcing Muslims to conform to modern values, you will get called racist by the usual white ‘liberals’ whose tolerance of intolerance at schools, universities, councils etc has encouraged and perhaps even created Islamic radicals and terrorists.
    It is clear to me that many people like Warsi owe their positions entirely to their skin colour and religion. Sadly, this tokenism means some really mediocre and even dangerous people are now in the House of Lords and at the highest level of government. Why? Where is their experience? Their qualifications? Their talent? These appointments are, by definition, racist. Merit alone should decide who gets to be a minister or gets into the House of Lords. A radical proposal, I know, but the only fair and non-racist one.

    • Liz

      Whereas inheriting a title and being a member of a club is a sure fire way of ensuring only quality people get through.

      • Gwangi

        A complete non sequitur and false argument. I have nowhere argued that people should inherit titles and get cabinet appointments via club membership.

        Ironically, you do – as you, my dear little manhating feminut, want quotas for women so all members of feminist clubs from that femi-elite will get elected via all-women shortlists and quotas which discriminate against men.

        Me, I support appointment by merit – which in politics means mostly white men because most of the best people are white men. You don’t seem to have a problem that most doing dirty and dangerous low-paid jobs are men too eh?

        People like Warsi would not have been put in the house of Lords were it not for their visible minority status. Really, what did this bint do to deserve that? Oh yeah – she was on a TV show. And she’s one of the few ethnic Tory voters and supporters…

        • Liz

          No, let’s stick with the male quotas, they work a treat.

          • Gwangi

            Oh dear… There are NO male quotas, love – that is your paranoid fantasy. Idiot.

  • sasboy

    Wouldn’t it be better if the UK were to clean up its rather spotty ( to say the least ) foreign policy record rather that waste its time and energy telling its citizens how to think ?

  • Conway

    Well, if she isn’t going to do her job properly, she should be sacked. What a novel idea!

  • Amir
  • St Bruno

    The above link is self explanatory.

    There is another link but I will refrain from posting here for fear of being labelled extreme and right wing, both I am not. I am only an observer of the trivia that passes for politics in England today.

  • BoiledCabbage

    Either people are pert of the problem, or part of the solution.

    So time to sort one from t’other.

  • mohdanga

    “Baroness Warsi is alleged by multiple sources in and out of government to have consistently resisted calls to develop a proper strategy on integration and tackling extremism at its roots,…”. Maybe if the gov’t didn’t continue to allow tens of thousands of Muslims in there wouldn’t be an ‘integration’ problem…..

  • Mynydd

    This is yet again another example how Mr Cameron cannot control his ministers.

  • The Commentator

    It is really very simple: Warsi is right and Cameron, as usual, has got it wrong. As a lawyer Baroness Warsi knows that is is perfectly permissible under UK and EU law to be as radicalised and extreme as you want to, so long as you don’t commit acts of violence or incite others to do so. Hence it would be rather pointless to develop a strategy to combat something which is not against the law. I suspect the saintly Baroness has more important things to do.

    • GraveDave

      She might be right in that context. But she took the job on.

    • FrenchNewsonlin

      Whatever EU law may or may not say it hasn’t stopped the French from tonight announcing a very tough policy on extremism and wannabe extremists. Paris is to stop all underage would-be jihadists headed for IS from leaving the country without parental permission and those over 18 will be stopped by executive order if necessary.
      It will also block extremist jihadi recruitment/incitement sites on the Web. If all European states took concerted tough action the fifth columnists in our midst might begin to be brought under control.
      Perhaps Cameron should instruct Warsi publicly to announce whose side she is on in the extremism fight.

      • MC73

        That sounds likely a sadly wongheaded French policy. They should be encouraging would-be jihadis to leave the country and putting their efforts towards stopping them coming back.

  • GraveDave

    ‘Sayeeda made clear when she got the job at CLG that she didn’t agree with the Prime Minister and that she simply wasn’t going to do this bit of her job.’

    One verbal, two written, then sack her. That’s how it works in Civvy Street, right?

    • mohdanga

      It really is amazing that a minister could make these demands of the PM and not be either sacked or resign. I’m sure the fact that she is a female Muslim has nothing to do with her inability or incompetence in dealing with Muslim terrorism. Must be nice to have a gig like hers….nothing like being granted a peerage at the age of 36 and never being elected.

  • Bernard from Bucks

    “Baroness Warsi is alleged by multiple sources in and out of government to have consistently resisted calls to develop a proper strategy on integration and tackling extremism at its roots, even though this is the Prime Minister’s policy and part of her job at the Communities and Local Government department.”
    I have to admit that I don’t know the intricate details of her belief and the laws that she abides by, but could it be, that if she goes along with the PM’s policy, she could find herself facing a death threat?

    • FrenchNewsonlin

      As a Muslim perhaps she should have thought of that before accepting any post?

  • Damaris Tighe

    Why is it that Conservative governments never repeal Labour legislation so that whatever government we have, the result is creeping leftism? This government should be repealing the Human Rights Act, not trying to work with it. The act makes firm action in defence of the British people impossible.

    • gelert

      Nick said “No”.

    • GraveDave

      Repeal the human rights act and it wont stop at deporting suspected terrorists or bogus asylum seekers. Be careful what you wish for.
      Especially under this lot.

  • sarahsmith232

    Utterly pathetic Cameron can’t sack her, too afraid of being labelled an Islamophobe.
    Useless, limp, good for nothing, 1990s New Labour clone.

    • Damaris Tighe

      Eton Wing of New Labour.

      • Colonel Mustard

        That’s rather a good way to describe them.

        • Damaris Tighe


          • sarahsmith232

            Have to say, you nailed that in one. Spot on, i’m afraid, Damaris Tighe (BTW – what’s the significance with the name?) going to have to pinch that in future. Good one.

            • Damaris Tighe

              Pinch it as much as you like if it makes the point!

              Re the name. C S Lewis & Tolkein belonged to a literary group called The Inklings. One of the less known members was the novelist Charles Williams. Damaris Tighe is a character in my favourite, The Place of the Lion.

    • GraveDave

      Far from doing them any favours she’s been every poor stereotype written about Muslims.

      • sarahsmith232

        Agreed. What i’d like to know is – who’s responsible for this from the British Film Institute – ‘Films must ‘tick boxes’ on diversity to win funds: BFI sets targets for number of female, gay and ethnic minority actors and crew’
        ‘New rules issued by British Film Institute, which dishes out £27m a year’ – ‘Film firms must satisfy two out of three categories in ‘Three Ticks’ scheme’ – ‘One says ‘at least 30%’ of supporting actors must positively reflect diversity’ – ‘Another says ‘two Heads of Department’ must have diverse backgrounds’ – ‘Despite MPs raising concerns about so-called ‘quota’ systems in the past, the move was praised by culture minister Ed Vaizey, who said it would ‘raise the bar’ to make films reflect modern Britain.’
        So, our new BME Culture Secretary showing us the new direction arts funding is going to take under him.
        I wonder what the person, who in 2007 said this feels – ‘According to Arts Council sources, Mr Cameron told his hosts: “I hope you won’t be giving grants to too many one-legged Lithuanian lesbians,” prompting embarrassed looks all round.’
        Apparently, in ’07 his focus group feedback had been telling him there were votes to had in associating himself with the angrily political incorrect. Come 2014 and he’s being told Labour let in so many millions the Conservatives can’t get a majority without bowing to them. I presume hence – limp, ****, superficial nothing can’t sack the pathetic Varsi, is allowing Sajid Jaffid to take the **** as Culture Sec’.

        • GraveDave

          For Diversity put cluster fukc

  • kh

    How can you integrate people who don’t want to be integrated?

    • greggf

      Ulster may be the model.

  • HookesLaw

    So dischuffed ex advisers say one thing and the govt says another. This hardly seems the stuuf to build an article on.
    The notion that there should not be difference within govt and that this is worth reporting is a bit naive.

  • chris_xxxx

    Is this Sayeeda Warsi who has never been elected to any of the positions she has held?

    ‘Sayeeda made clear when she got the job at CLG that she didn’t agree
    with the Prime Minister and that she simply wasn’t going to do this bit
    of her job.’

    Could you imagine Margaret Thatcher accepting this? It would be exit back door with a P45.

    • The Masked Marvel

      Most important point in the thread.

      • Sinceyouask

        Yes. Who does she think she is: the Prince of Wales?

        • The Masked Marvel

          No, he causes less direct damage to government policy.

    • GraveDave

      Quite right too. What other job or profession would allow this.

    • mohdanga

      It really is mind boggling how a junior minister tells the PM what she will and won’t do.

      • Conway

        She is clearly untouchable because she ticks so many PC quota boxes.

        • wudyermucuss

          She’s a hottie,but a wrong ‘un.
          Frightening that someone with her views has so much power.
          Ditto Vaz.

  • sarah_13

    Cameron needs to deal with Warsi now. She is clearly holding him to ransom. Tears should be the least of his worries. He has a history of waiting too long with issues so that when he forced to deal with them they are a huge problem,. Quilliam are the best of hope of developing a proper strategy of integration and moderation.

    • FrenchNewsonlin

      Wouldn’t place your hopes on Quilliam – dig a bit deeper.

  • Rhoda Klapp8

    I’ll repeat this yet again. Extremism is not the threat, the threat to my way of life is an alien culture which can’t live with the native culture. It isn’t the extremists, the Islamists, it is the general population of moderate Muslims who don’t much like our culture but want to live here under their own rules. That’s the problem. We have Police, spies and laws to deal with extremism. Nobody is even trying to deal with the real problem.

    (Yes, they might be lovely people, but they are a problem at some population level where they begin to be a ‘community’.)

    • kh

      Totally agree 150 per cent

      • wudyermucuss

        Once we face up to the reality of the “moderate” issue,we will have to confront issues with other “communities”,massively disproportionate crime and unemployment levels,inter-familial marriage,third worldism etc etc
        The whole enforced mass multiculti immigration lie will be exposed and the whole thing will crumble.
        Whining on forums does little;MPs do less;we had mass immigration and multi cultism forced on us in order to rub our noses in it;we need to have mass enforced repatriation,we need it now,not for petty,infantile reasons like those that motivated the far left in their experiment on our once wonderful,cohesive,vibrant country but in order to save our country.
        Otherwise,quite simply,it is gone.

        • John Clegg

          Yes, mass enforced repatriation may in the end be the least worst option facing us.

          • Matthew Stevens

            So that’s your plan is it? You’re going to run around rounding them up?

            No wonder its piss-easy to straw-man anyone who raises even the slightest legitimate quarrel with Islam.

      • John Clegg

        Thanks Rhoda for having the courage to say what we all know.

    • telemachus

      You are wrong, wrong, wrong
      I have lived and worked with Muslims most of my life
      They have the same goals and aspirations as the indiginous
      They have the same degree of participation in local events and the same enthusiasm in supporting National Events
      It is only the demonisation fostered by the Mail and others that make folks think otherwise

      • Kennybhoy

        FFS Tele read what Rhoda wrote….

        • telemachus

          I did


          an alien culture which can’t live with the native culture

          This is xenophobic, racialist Islamophobia at its most rampant. My comment stands. If you isolate them and ghettoise them then the extremists radicalise the reasonable
          Rhoda is correct we do not need police we need compassion and embracement

          • allymax bruce

            Being xenophobic, racist, or racialist Islamophobic is only considered to be pertinent when the majority of the indigenous think so; I’m not seeing your ‘ideals’ being realised in ‘British’ society. In-fact, I’m seeing the opposite; that’s why your term ‘rampant’, applies!
            As for your exhortation of “If you isolate them and ghettoise them then the extremists radicalise the reasonable”, (telemachus); they, (the immigrants), are doing it to themselves; they don’t want to ‘integrate’.
            Hence, Rhoda is right, “an alien culture which can’t live with the native culture”, (Rhoda Klapp8).

          • Chris Whitelaw

            There is no such thing as Islamophobia. A “phobia” is an irrational fear of something We have ample evidence to warrant fear of, and rejection of Islam. How many more women do you want raped here in the UK by muslims who tell our courts it is “their way” and that “women are as worthless as lollipops”. How many more female genital mutilations do you want? How many more beheadings on You Tube? How many morons like Andy Choudary do you want openly preaching hatred on the streets. It is NOT “racist” because Islam is not a race. No one is out to ghettoise them either. When we visit a muslim country we are expected to conform to all their laws, and quite right too. All we want is for the same rules to apply here. What you call xenophobia, I call pride in my nation.

            • Can414

              It shud be termed Islamodisgust

          • itbeso

            they isolate and ghetoise themselves. No intermarriage will reinforce this decade upon decade.

          • James Lovelace

            If believing in islam makes muslims a race, then islam is the most racist doctrine ever to appear on the face of this planet.

            The koran commands muslims to kill the non-muslims. Koran 9:5

            Even Hitler’s “Mein Kampf” does not command National Socialists to kill those who do not follow his doctrine.

      • greggf

        Yes Tele, I know that is the theory that all western administrations are working on. But Peter Sutherland’s promotion of mass migration to undermine the homogeneity of the west doesn’t exactly encourage agreement to it.
        Thus the UK’s supine response to all the offensive imported alien cultural baggage grates on most as well as the sheer taxpayer cost of supporting such migrants, their families and dependents in their own image.

        There are some examples in Europe of the integration you refer to, but then again the recent breakup of Yugoslavia and the war in the Balkans is an example of the other kind which even marxist-communism couldn’t change.

        Pandering to muslim proclivities, hoping they will happily dump unwanted habits and integrate as productive citizens is generally not working. Other posts (rogermurrayclark) detail some of this; it is a fact that over 50% of muslims live on benefits.

      • The Blue Baron

        Out of interest, why do you think so many Muslim majority countries look the way they do?

        • Dave Catleugh كافر


      • Liberty

        Sure, I agree that most will just want to live just like the rest of us; but when their crazies go ape they keep their heads down leaving them to do their damage – to us. So, are your mates with us or agin us? We need to know – then w can draw our conclusions and act accordingly. In the meantime, the silence is deafening.

      • Chris Whitelaw

        Do they? Why then, is there not Muslim outrage at acts of terror committed in the name of their religion. Why was there a deafening silence when Lee Rigby was hacked to death? Silence breed assent – as they know very well. I am sick to death of being told everything about my way of life is “offensive” – especially when vast sums of compensation are paid out – such as when muslims claim money for being shouted at by British troops, and we, like the mugs we are, pay up. I too work with muslims, and am sick to death of having to bend over backwards to accommodate all their hair-trigger grievances. Let me give you one example – see if you can answer this. There is a multi-faith prayer room in the British Museum – Friday prayers are important to Muslims – Friday is also the start of the Sabath. Guess what happens if a Jew tries to use the multi faith prayer room on a Friday! Told to leave by the museum because they are “causing offence”. Tolerance? Yeah – right.

      • itbeso

        I bet you have never gone into any detail with any of them about what they actually believe or would support.

      • James Lovelace

        “They have the same goals and aspirations as the indiginous”

        No, they don’t.

        Hizb ut Tahrir, an islamic extremist party, can get 10000 “British” muslims to a conference. Labour and Tories said they would ban this party. “Moderate” muslim organisations like Fiyaz Mughal’s “Faith Matters” tell the government NOT to ban this party. Yet in 2005 David Cameron said “islamic extremists are Nazis”.

        If the rest of the country were drawn to fascism the way muslims in Britain are, then the BNP would have had conferences attended by 10,000 x 19 (muslims are 1/20th of the UK population) i.e a BNP conference with around 200,000 attending. If that was the situation, then you might have some claim that muslims are like the rest of us. I doubt the BNP ever had a conference with more than 200 attendees.

        In the UK in the last 12 years, 332 muslims have been convicted of islam-related terrorism. Only 3 non-muslims have been convicted of islam-related terrorism. Muslims out-number us 100x when it comes to terrorism; yet we are almost 20x as numerous as they are in the UK.

        More than 1 respected survey of British muslims has shown that 99.5% of them are openly homophobic, and 60% to 70% of British muslims want to see homosexuality criminalised and to see gay people “punished” (stoned to death? whipped? beheaded?) And these surveys show that young adult muslims in Britain are 3x as fascistic as their parents.

        Muslims are 5% of the UK population, but 14% of the prison population. When it comes to the under 21s, they are 21% of the prison population.

        And I’ve had muslim boyfriends, I’ve shared flats with muslims, I see muslims on a daily basis. And I know they are openly corrupt, and they are blatantly prepared to indulge in gang violence against lone white men. It was discovering this that shocked me out of my complacent, utopian Leftism. They are not interested in integration. My muslim friends who are integrated have to have nothing to do with other muslims; my friends know that the koran commands muslims not to even be friends with non-muslims.

        All the evidence shows that muslims are not like the rest of us.

      • Tommy S

        Then you must ask yourself are they really mohammedans if they don’t agree with mohammed and do not think he is the best example for mankind- after all he (mohammed)was a genocidal murderer,rapist,slaver,thief,torturer that the koran describes as the perfect man.

      • Gareth

        Where do you live , La La Land I suspect, wake up and smell the coffee because I have never seen muslims supporting anything that is a part of our English heritage and that is because they are encouraged by their ghetto leaders NOT to integrate with Christians and Jews.

    • Liberty

      Those who live here and want to do so under their own rules non-violently create space for violent extremists to flourish. When the extremists act as in the murder of Lee Rigby or 7/7 they appeasers will say ‘we didn’t mean you to go that far’. We should know this, it was understood by governments re. IRA, Basque separatists, Bader Meinhoff and the Angry Brigade. The extremists must not have a swamp in which to flourish. It seems that given a period of calm governments forget what others learnt the hard way.

      • allymax bruce

        In-fact, the function to de-legitimise the ‘extremist’ only furthers the legitimisation of ‘moderate’; of which, neither functions to encourage immigrants to integrate into ‘British’ culture. The Labour laws introduced by last Labour gov’ like what telemachus uses, xenophobia, racism, etc, only strips us, the indigenous, of all our ‘Rights’ to decide for ourselves what is ‘moderate’ ‘extreme’ etc. We are being conned by the Imposition of Westminster ‘rhetorical choice’, that only has a degenerating outcome for the indigenous.

    • The Patriot

      You’re right, so what the convervatives have gone and done is put one of these ‘people’ at the helm… Unbelievable. If she isn’t doing her job she should be removed from it and replaced with someone that is actually going to do it… And more than that she should be removed because she is a Muslim… Islam and the West’s principles and ideologies cannot and DO NOT coexist peacefully… It’s time the cancer started getting treated and purged.

    • itbeso

      Conservitive Islam is extremism, just not violent extremism. Difficult I know these days to know what someone means by the terms they use. Many so called moderates are using the term ‘normative’ islam which supports sharia, death to the apostate etc and tells us this is not extreme islam but just everyday Islam. Scary stuff.

    • Can414

      I hope you make the distinction between Muslim immigrants and non-Muslim immigrants. I am a non-muslim immigrant, left India for economic reasons. I was glad that the place I immigrated to did not have the same political BS that India has. However in the last few years I am noticing the same dymamics as in India- mainstream politicians pandering to muslms; and these muslms have unending demands , refuse to see themselves as Indians but as descendents of Arabs. It will be such an irony if you club me along with these islamists.

  • rogermurrayclark

    “‘There has to be a conscious integration programme and it certainly needs to include young people who are Muslims, but not just young Muslims, it has to cover whole parts of our society. It has to be organised in a way which appeals to young people.”

    How can you “integrate” huge and fast growing colonies like this?

    “Bradford is a veritable human Crufts, with over three-quarters of the city’s ethnic Pakistanis marrying their first cousins, and this figure is not hugely above the national average of 50 per cent. Compare this to the percentage of British-Pakistanis who marry whites, 0.7 per cent, or British Hindus, just 0.1 per cent.”

    The notion of integration here is ridiculous, it is a complete and utter absurdity

    • rogermurrayclark

      Who wants to “integrate” into this?

      “THE ringleader of a gang who sexually abused a schoolgirl has been jailed for thirteen and a half years – and three other men have also been handed lengthy prison terms.

      Nazakat Mahmood was handed his sentence at Reading Crown Court on Friday after a jury had previously convicted him of seven counts of sexual activity with a child and two counts of causing or inciting a child to engage in sexual activity.”

      It’s reached epidemic proportions

      Perhaps Baroness Neville Jones might care to advise

    • greggf

      “The notion of integration here is ridiculous, it is………”

      The Belfast model is probably the eventual British solution.

      • James Lovelace

        Balkanisation of England is on the cards. Or something even worse.

        • greggf

          Balkanisation is already a fact James.
          They have their own schools system in Birmingham (and elsewhere), they use sharia law in many muslim areas of our cities officially, the city of Leicester is controlled by Asians many of whom are muslim and where most original inhabitants have moved to the suburbs and county, and then there’s the east end of London……!

    • GraveDave

      Besides, what’s left to integrate with. But what they mustn’t go thinking is that colony means country and that ‘Muslim area’ means ‘Ours” and to do with as we please. Because it isn’t and you cant.

    • mohdanga

      Funny how a monoculture of white, British citizens, whose ancestors have been around for centuries is an example of non-diversity and something to be corrected (according to the multicultis) yet the colonization of English cities by non-whites is an example of ‘diversity’ and to be lauded. Where is the diversity when the host population is replaced by immigrants who have no intention of integrating? Watch multicultis dance on the head of a pin when trying to explain this.

      • FrenchNewsonlin

        In 2011 Cameron and Merkel jointly denounced multikulti as a failed policy to be abandoned; hasn’t been much progress since though.

        • Colonel Mustard

          And yet his Ministers are still proclaiming it on QT to the usual seal clapping.

          “It is like watching a nation busily engaged in heaping up its own funeral pyre.”

      • Damaris Tighe

        Absolutely spot on.

    • wudyermucuss much of the ideas of the lib/prog/left are simply made up,bearing no relation to reality.
      I live in a savagely enriched area.
      It is simply a collection of non interacting little groups.
      A report last week showed only 1/3 of “communities” interact.

      • rogermurrayclark

        “savagely enriched area”, I like that; which area, roughly, are we talking about?

  • Gwangi

    It seems to me that Warsi ONLY got her gong and her place in the cabinet because she has a brown skin. Lord Ali is the same.
    Seems any eejit who’s minority ethnic is unfairly advantaged these days when all political parties are desperate to parachute more ethnics into visible roles in government. Racism though, innit?

    • Ron Todd

      Read ‘The Islamic republic of Dewsbury’ by Danny Lockwood for some background.

      • Sinceyouask

        I agree. Well worth reading. The burden of living with Islamified communities falls very unevenly in Britain, and hardest on those who the politicians deem can be sacrificed. This was the problem of Gordon Brown’s “bigoted woman” writ large: we know what we’re doing – if you don’t agree you’re ignorant/ racist/ homophobic etc etc.

  • Alexandrovich

    If you invite Naja nigricollis into your camp without a toxicologist on hand you deserve everything you get. Did Cameron really believe that this woman would be anything other than a pain in the backside? How come her agenda is obvious to most people except those in Government?

  • Steve Lloyd

    The Government doesn’t get to decide anything. EU decides, Cameron and his wets implement.

    • SG

      Dunno about that, the French don’t seem to have too many problems. Seems convenient for the British gov to blame the EU for every single thing.

      • obbo12

        The french don’t have judicial activism.

      • Steve Lloyd

        I’m not blaming the EU. I’m blaming c*nts like Cameron who treat everything that comes from Brussels, with slavish devotion.

      • gelert

        The banlieues of major French cities are ticking time bombs. Sunday night will see the “traditional” torching of cars on the eve of the July 14th holiday.

      • Damaris Tighe

        The French have big problems.

    • Roger Hudson

      Cameron only has to cite the ‘national emergency’ get-out clause and the European winging surrender-monkeys are silenced at a stroke.

      • Steve Lloyd

        Except Cameron is a European winging surrender-monkey himself.

  • jack

    Cameron is already a damp liberal, and hamstrung by total wet liberals in his coalition. How on earth can he hope to tackle the problems created by Islam when his own minister thinks he is non liberal?

    Cameron needs to get rid of these PC appointed ministers and bring in ones based on merit.

    • the viceroy’s gin

      You’re right, he does, but as he won’t, he’s going to have his head mounted on a spike in 10.0 months time.

  • BarkingAtTreehuggers

    What is this? National ‘Shut Up UKIP Day’?

    Where are all the closet fruitcakes asking why the word hopeless was in quotation marks, where are all the indigenous loons fighting to free Britain from the tyranny of abuse and ever more indigenous secrecy and silence? Silence is their answer? Are they complicit? Wot’s goin’ on??

    • the viceroy’s gin

      …does the barking startle your goat sockpuppet, lad?

  • Colonel Mustard

    This might be of less concern if there wasn’t a sneaking suspicion that Cameron would put UKIP in the frame of “extremism in all its forms” if he could.

    And “non-violent extremism”? A broad, woolly and limitless category to be applied to anything the ruling regime might not care for.

    But at the end of the day it’s just sticking plaster for the fatal wounds they themselves have inflicted on us with their gormless “policies”.

    • Marmalade Sandwich

      Islamic institutions do not pass the charitable test for “the public benefit”. Therefore remove their charitable status. So no savings on VAT. Then classify it as a cult rather than a religion and it can lose all the other rights Islam currently hold here. Now all that is left is to abide by the same rules as any other membership club, including the right to leave if one so wishes.

      • Arnab Dutt

        I hope you are being facetious and comical.

        • UniteAgainstSocialism

          HI Arnab,

          i see that was your first post on the Spectator, and your second using disqus. There’s only telemachus who posts here who thinks Islam is a religion of peace, Everyone else thinks it is an evil moon god worshipping death cult that should be banned.

          Welcome aboard!

          • Arnab Dutt

            In the great tradition of British pluralistic thought, I thank you for your welcome and should inform you that your political views are antithetical to mine. Nonetheless nothing that can’t be sorted out over a few good bottles of wine and some rare Scottish beef.

            • Damaris Tighe

              Yum! You sound a decent sort of chap, welcome aboard even though we may disagree with you.

            • Kitty MLB

              Indeed, welcome aboard the clandestine and precarious
              corridors of the Spectator. No doubt you soon find Telemachus
              bedevilling you, but welcome anyway.
              Oh, maybe an English pheasant or two and a decent claret
              followed by some cheese and excellent way to settle
              a difference of opinion.

            • zumbruk

              Halal killed, of course.

              • Arnab Dutt

                halal, kosher – I don’t care as long as its dead.

        • mohdanga

          Can anyone name one benefit that Muslims have brought to the West?

          • In2minds


            • george

              nope … greeks or babylonians depending on where you define algebra starts. arabs mostly just pinched others work and refined it.
              one of the reasons islam has such a big chip on its shoulder … it has brought nothing to the world table in hundreds of years and is dependent on the kaffars

              • In2minds

                I take your point, see above.

              • Damaris Tighe

                It takes western technology & uses it to devise new ways to kill.

            • mohdanga

              What, 1,000 years ago, assuming Muslims were actually responsible for ‘inventing’ algebra which is debatable as pointed out by george below.
              No, I mean in the last 30 years of rampant Muslim immigration, what benefits have accrued to the West?? I can think of not one contribution.

              • In2minds

                I was teasing, you and I know , “in the last 30 years” is the key point.

              • zumbruk

                Britain’s favourite cuisine; “Indian” (which are mostly Bangla-deshi) restaurants.

                • James Lovelace

                  Last week I visited a friend in a far London suburb. The “Indian” restaurant was empty; the (new) Italian restaurant was packed as is ususal. On a recent visit to Brick Lane, my friend who lives there pointed out how many of the “Indian” restaurants were closing, being replaced by a wide variety of other restaurants.

                  I haven’t been inside an “Indian” restaurant for 10 years.

        • James Lovelace

          Until 200 years ago, Islam was not acknowledged as a religion in Britain. The koran was illegal. But instead the LibLabCon elite have decided that civil war and Balkanisation is going to be good for Britain.

          • Arnab Dutt

            I don’t know where you live James but where I live both in North London, a beautiful milieu of culture and the Leicestershire countryside I see no evidence of the balkanisation of the UK and impending religious war. I do find their must be lot of folk who read the Spectator, Daily Mail etc.. who comment on this page who could do with fretting a little less about possibilities and observe reality. A little more tolerance, knowledge and empathy tends to go a long way. Open a good bottle of wine, place some good charcuterie on a plate, perhaps with some cheese, go and sit in your garden and listen to the wind and the birds. Life is pretty good and all this will pass.

            • James Lovelace

              “I see no evidence of the balkanisation of the UK and impending religious war.”

              I suggest you start reading. Walter Laqueur is one of the 20th century’s great experts on european history and politics.


              Perhaps you should cast your eye down the list of muslims convicted of terrorism in the UK in the last 12 years.


              You seem to have missed that the worst terrorist attack in Britain was conducted by muslims on 7/7/2005. Just 2 weeks later, another group of muslims set about blowing up commuters in London again. You seem to have missed the fact that a young man was beheaded on the streets of London last year, all because he was wearing a Help for Heroes t-shirt.

              More than 50% of the attacks on jews in London are by muslims/arabs. Muslims are 12% of the population of London.

              East London has been cleared of gay people, and then declared a Gay Free Zone by muslims.

    • telemachus

      Please read the opinion of respected Spectator columnists(

      There are two classes of extremism: the extremism found in (1) actions, threats or promises; or in (2) a distorting view of the world, narrow to the point of fanaticism, that fathers (or in the future is likely to father) those actions, threats or promises.

      Seeking ammunition in the first category, I could wade through our readers’ comments, or through statements from Ukip candidates or the (much more careful) public words of Nigel Farage, or scrutinise Ukip’s lunatic 2010 manifesto, and doubtless come up with a selection of fairly extreme utterances. But the truth is that you could do this with any party. In pursuit of more than point-scoring quotes, one inquires instead into what seems to be the spirit of a movement.

      The spirit of Ukippery is paranoid. It distorts and simplifies the world, perceiving a range of different ills and difficulties as all proceeding from two sources: foreigners abroad, and in Britain a ‘metropolitan liberal elite’ (typically thought to be in league with foreigners). None of the problems it identifies (with immigration, with EU bureaucracy, with the cost of the EU, with the ambitions of some Europeanists, with political correctness, with health-and-safety, with human rights legislation etc) are anything less than real; but to the un-extremist mind they need to be tackled ad hoc, one by one, rather than seen as the hydra-headed expression of a single monster.

      It is the single-cause, single-prism, single-root-explanation way of interpreting the world and its sorrows (a way of thinking and seeing that has its attraction to all human beings) that leads to (or is the fount of) extremism: it is one of the reasons religion, with its forces-of-evil focus, has so often led people that way.

      You could have asked me, in the heyday of McCarthyism, to tell you what was extremist about the senator’s campaign to root out communist influences. You could have asked me during the witch hunts of Salem to tell you what was extremist about identifying agents of evil among us. And in reply I could have looked for crazy utterances or promises. But were I being more thoughtful I would instead have recommended the analysis above.

      • global city

        Instead of all that you may as well have written blah, blah, blahdeblah, blah blah!

      • gelert

        Sure you aren’t Igonikon Jack (USA) drifted over from the DT ? Your idiolect is extremely similar; as is the inane content of your post.

      • Colonel Mustard


        • telemachus

          Eloquent as always
          Just as
          Welcome to Labour’s First Rule of Politics – “Heads we win, tails you lose”.

          They are only interested in gaining power by any means.
          And will

          • Colonel Mustard

            Thanks for that confirmation. Hope it is well noted by everyone. It shouts dishonesty, cynicism and dishonour.

            • telemachus

              Or dedication to rule in the name of the people

              • Colonel Mustard

                That’s what you say. That’s what you have always said. But what you boast about and what actually happens is chalk and cheese.

                Declaring an intention to win power by any means is dedication to nothing more than tyranny.

            • telemachus

              I referenced it at the top
              Do not question the integrity of .telemachus

              • Colonel Mustard

                Not clearly and like much of what you write it was contrived to deceive.

                What’s the . for? Does it represent your tiny pea brain? Behold the brain of .telemachus!

                No need to question your integrity, that was shredded years ago by your own hand. You are now simply a dispersing irritant like CS gas.

              • Kitty MLB

                “Do not question the integrity of Telemachus”
                Well that has rendered me speechless.
                Off I go to investigate some ancient tomes,
                I am sure I’ll find more sense within them
                then I do with this befuddling creature.

                • telemachus


            • Sinceyouask

              He does deserve credit, you must agree, in being among the first to draw attention to the way Islam in Saudi Arabia treats women, which anticipated much of our current anxieties and political impotence.

          • Inverted Meniscus

            Blah blah blah blah blah.

      • Damaris Tighe

        Tackling things ad hoc without seeing the big picture, is very much the anti-intellectual English way, & will be our downfall.

    • greggf

      “…. on us with their gormless “policies”.

      And things can only get worse Colonel.

      The PC pressure to appoint diverse elements into government coupled with the growing welfare demand from embedded interests, of which non-EU immigration is most significant, cannot be reversed. Things will muddle along until inter ethnic/communal friction develops into violence whence large swathes of many British cities will come to resemble that other part of the UK where such has existed for some time – Northern Ireland.

      • Damaris Tighe

        I’m very glad I live way out in the countryside.

        • Conway

          Even out in the sticks there have been signs of “enrichment”.

    • mohdanga

      “And “non-violent extremism”?A broad, woolly and limitless category to be applied to anything the ruling regime might not care for.” Exactly!! I thought extremists were violent or espoused violence, what on earth is a non-violent extremist? Typical bumpf from the elite.

      • Conway

        I suspect an “extremist” will be anybody whom the govt sees as a potential threat (to their jobs, expenses, perks etc).

    • Damaris Tighe

      You’re right but I can’t believe this is Britain we’re talking about.

      • Colonel Mustard

        I gave up on Britain several years after 1997 when New Labour managed to turn it into something rather horrible and now treat it as a country under occupation by hostile forces.

  • Holby18

    What is going on? Is she about to lose her job?

    • GnosticBrian

      One can but hope.

    • obbo12

      Its rumored that there is a reshuffle next week. It could mean that Warsi is going or someone is trying save their own job by briefing against Warsi. It won’t be the first time in the last couple of months that home office has tryed to shift the blame.

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