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David Cameron has fewer problems than Ed Miliband and Nick Clegg this morning

26 May 2014

For more than year Westminster has assumed that David Cameron would have a Tory crisis to deal with after the European Elections. Whenever anyone remarked on the Tories unifying, someone would say ‘well, wait until after the Euros’. The conventional wisdom was that the Tories coming third would lead to a slew of senior Tories pushing for more robust policies on immigration and Europe and more and more Tory MPs calling for a pact with Ukip. But this morning, Cameron has fewer problems than either Ed Miliband or Nick Clegg.

The fact that the Tory party has responded so calmly to coming third in a nationwide election for the first time in its history is partly a triumph of expectation management. But the Tory calm is also because this isn’t actually that bad a result for them. They are only a point and a half behind Labour and the spread between first and third is only 4 points. For a governing party a year out from a general election, this isn’t that bad a result. It suggests that the Tories are in with a fighting chance of being the largest party at the next general election. If the Tories can hold Newark relatively comfortably in the by-election there next Thursday, the Tory party will go into the summer in good spirits.

For Labour, this result is a disappointment. Being beaten by Ukip is one thing, but only just edging the Tories is another. This result indicates that there is no tidal wave of enthusiasm for Labour. Instead, the party is going to have to try and eke out an election win.

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One of the things that should worry Labour most is how little cut through its policy prospectus had in this campaign. Even big pledges, such as it is promise that everyone will be able to see a GP within 48 hours, didn’t get traction. As I said in the Mail on Sunday, one shadow Cabinet member’s explanation for this is that ‘no one believes it’. He fears that until Labour gets some credibility on spending and the public finances, nothing it says will be taken seriously.

I expect that we’ll also see Labour MPs fretting publicly about how disconnected the leadership of the party has come from Labour’s base of support in the country. There is already grumbling that Oxford PPE graduates who live in large houses in London don’t understand the threat that Ukip poses to Labour’s working class vote.

Nick Clegg will be hurt by last night’s result. He is the most emotionally pro-European politician at the top of British politics and he’ll hate the sight of Ukip winning a nationwide vote. He’ll also know that it was his debates with Nigel Farage that gave Ukip momentum at the start of this campaign.

This result will also add to the debate over his leadership: losing 10 out of 11 MEPs and coming behind the Greens was an even worse result than the Liberal Democrats were braced for. There’ll be those who question the Lib Dem strategy in this campaign from the decision to challenge Farage to debate to positioning the party as the UK’s pro-European voice. There’ll also be mutterings that the problem wasn’t the message but the messenger, that Clegg is simply not believed by large chunks of the electorate any more. But, as I said yesterday, I expect that Clegg will hang on because there is no chance of a smooth transition and senior Liberal Democrats are not prepared to out the party through a bloody and divisive leadership without any guarantee of success.

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  • James Allen

    James, he’s the f**king PM you idiot!! He’s the one who’s supposed to sort this mess out. Instead he’s kicking the can down the road…. making the possible rise of extremism in Britain more likely, not less….

    • LucieCabrol

      No that behaviour occurred under the last government…no planning for power and energy succession; no paying down debt while economy was ‘booming’; immigration fest to sort out their medium term vote problems…screw the rest of the country and never mind the inevitable reaction; etc etc etc…remember the no more money joke…it wasn’t a joke.

  • Chris Bristol

    STOP THE PRESSES! Labour are in turmoil because 10% of the electorate voted for UKIP! Anyone with half a brain can see that Labour is never going to be the party to romp home in a European election. It’s just not fashionable to admit what is sensible- that the UK has a place inside Europe leading it. Sure, Miliband’s campaign was more or less non existant, but that Labour managed to do as well as it did is pretty remarkable, given the frothy mouthed hysteria which seems to have infected a very vocal minority. When the sun is shining over Europe again here in the near future, we’ll all be glad we didn’t cut and run like the right wing knuckledraggers wanted us to. And the irony is that we’ll have Red Ed to thank for it despite the temporary political flak he’s getting now.

  • Mynydd

    No matter how you spin it, the local and European elections have been a desastor for the Mr Cameron’s Conservative party.
    For months Mr Cameron has attacked Mr Miliband personally at every oportuneity and particularly at PMQ have as been saying how they have turned the economy around, and given a chance Mr Miliband’s Labour party will only destroy the good work, yet hey have lost councils and councillors. Whereas on the other hand, Mr Miliband has won councils and councillors.
    With respect to Europe, to counter attacks from his own backbenchers and UKIP, Mr Cameron has given a cast iron promise to have an In / Out referendum in 2017. This strategy has failed, he has lost MEPs.

  • Conway

    Clegg will hang on until his EU Commissioner post is ready.

  • davidhill

    Cameron is immaterial in the ‘big’ picture of the EU and there are bigger things definitely on the agenda but are not apparent with EU membership and where the NHS is definitely under threat with being a part of the EU (USA-EU trade Agreement – see link).

    But it really does not matter which politician or party gets in power, this EU project will not bring hardly any prosperity for 90% of the people of Europe including the UK (indeed economic decline has been the case for nearly 10-years now in real terms taking inflation into account – basically has been going the same way as Japan with 20-years of economic stagnation), but just for the 10% rich as usual (that’s why the politicians are leading us down the garden path as the servants of the mighty corporations). Indeed the cost to the EU taxpayer is astronomical and where every one of the 751 MEPs can receive €615,660 a year and look forward to a lump sum pension pot of €303,195. That’s times 751 of course and where it is a mere drop in the ocean of the total cost of the EU. Some main-stream media outlets have said incredibly up 1000 billion Euro a year and where ‘Translation’ cost alone are pushing €1.5 billion a year. But a recent report by Civitas – The Institute For The Study Of Civil Society, stated that ‘trade’ between the UK and EU countries had not changed percentage wise since 1973, so what’s the point for all this vast European taxpayer’s investment when it has not given any extra back to the wealth of the people?

    But the NHS is definitely under threat from the private US healthcare industry if the EU-USA trade pact is signed up to by our politicians. A great deal of people do not know this. So enjoy the NHS for as long as you can, but where privatisation is definitely knocking on the door now with this so-called ‘free-trade’ agreement to be signed by our politicians and vast US corporations just waiting to carve it up.

  • Denis_Cooper

    I remember that in the 1999 elections for the EU Parliament there was the Pro-Euro Conservative Party, which got totally slaughtered. Clegg might have learned from that episode that it is not a particularly good idea to openly tell the British electorate that you are dead keen on the EU, far better to adopt the Tory strategy of protesting your opposition while quietly going along with it and hoping that not too many people will notice.

  • Tom

    Why should ex tories go back to them after last night.
    Right across Europe it was a no vote for the EU, now is not the time when the enemy is on the run to go back to the same old same old.
    Keep the pressure on, the EU is weakened and now is the time to turn the screws.

  • Smithersjones2013

    David Cameron has fewer problems than Ed Miliband and Nick Clegg this morning

    Ya think? On a superficial level perhaps. Just wait until the analysis of which constituencies voted UKIP top comes through and 100 plus Tory MP’s realise that UKIP out voted the Tories in their seat,

    Let’s just take Kent (a Tory monopoly in 2010) where UKIP came top in Thanet (2 MPs) Ashford, Medway (3 MPs) Sittingbourne, Faversham, Maidstone, Canterbury, Tonbridge, Dover, Folkestone & Sevenoaks amongst others. Seemingly only ‘outraged of Tunbridge Wells’ stayed loyal to Dave

    None of these seats are Labour targets but now some will be UKIP targets and all will be at risk from UKIP to some extent. Add to that some have comatose local tory associations that haven’t campaigned since Margaret Thatcher was in office and what will Dave do about them? How secure will these Tory Kent MPs feel? Has Lynton Crosby got a slush fund of unallocated resources that he can distribute between Kent and other counties (Essex, Norfolk, Sussex, Suffolk, Lincolnshire, Yorkshire Humberside etc) where UKIP won many constituencies or will he have to redirect funds from Tory marginals. Its squeaky bum time on the Tory back benches. Can Lynton divvy the money to keep everyone happy or will the enforced unity of the Tories (survival is a powerful driver) finally start creaking with each MP fighting to save their own hide? Will it be every man and woman for themselves?

    • 2trueblue

      So where is UKIP going to get the money and presence to set a profile and people on the ground? It is a problem that UKIP did so well and most of us are actually delighted as we want real talk about the EU, not someone who says that he will negotiate but still wants to be part of it anyway.
      We need all politicians to be less arrogant and to take on board that the electorate, at least those who vote, are fed up with the status quo.

      • Smithersjones2013

        I’m not sure what point you are trying to get at? UKIP will raise money from its growing number of members and donors who will also provide the ‘presence’ you seem to be talking about. Their recent election successes I think takes care of much of the ‘profile’ issues

        Just as the other parties UKIP are not talking about targeting every seat but a select number. The thing is chances are those seats will be over and above those seats that the Tories have targetted and so will be an additional strain on the defending party’s resources and I believe the incumbent MP’s will have to beg borrow and steal to resource a defence because the relevant HQ resources will be allocated in Tory/ Lab & Tory/ Libdem marginals

        • the viceroy’s gin

          Yes, this will be a complex political battlefield, given the 4-party set-up. Asymmetric warfare, absent an established “front”.

          It’s kind of ironic, that UKIP is now swimming like a fish in the sea of people. Thank you Chairman Mao.

        • 2trueblue

          The point I was making is that for a fairly small party they do not have great resources yet. Simply that.

    • the viceroy’s gin

      Spot on.

      Granular analysis of this May 22 electorate is the next step for UKIP, and that analysis will inevitably point to particular Cameroon seats to be targeted. That’s when the rats will start squeaking.

    • Conway

      You don’t get much bluer than Shropshire (they used to weigh the Tory votes here), but UKIP put them into second place. My MP (a faux EU sceptic) has just over a 16k majority, like Newark’s. Could be interesting.

  • dalai guevara

    The electorate will not be taken as fools.
    Those nations in economic decline voted for far-right parties, those who are doing well voted Merkel.

    • the viceroy’s gin

      …how did all your sockpuppets vote?

    • Makroon

      Holland gave Wilders a kicking, Greece and Spain voted left, Grillo in Italy lost ground. The Germans are “disciplined”, but where France and UK go, Germany will follow – especially when the “banking union” starts to loom.

  • McRobbie

    I’m picking myself off the floor this morning..just read Kevin Macguire saying milie would make a good PM as he’s in it for the right reasons and DC is only in it to wear a suit. No recognition that milie is only in it for personal aggrandisation to prove his superior IQ and academic qualifications and he was prepared to stab his bro in the back to get his way..with the help of his other well heeled brothers in the trade unions. How any serious left winger can support a millionaire marxist with no real world experience I do not know, when it comes to who prefers to be seen wearing a suit it seems milie is far more pretentious than DC.

    • Makroon

      Ha-ha, if you waste time reading Macguire, you deserve to be “discomforted”.

  • JoeDM

    Head-In-the-Sand time at Conservative HQ !!!

  • Frank

    The tories are facing the most inept labour party in decades and yet the tories still get beaten. I am not sure how any tory can be reassured by this?
    The tories also seem to think that all the disaffected ex-tory voters will come back to them from UKIP in time for the general election. I don’t see that happening unless the tories do some pretty radical surgery on their policies / outlook on life.
    As for the Lib-Dems…….. yes, Vince is bound to save the day!

    • an ex-tory voter

      For exactly the same reason they could not defeat Gordon Brown, they fail because they are not “Tories” and are not led by a “Tory”. David Cameron did not “detoxify”the brand, he “socialised” it. As a result his “neutered and gagged” party offers policies which differ only in detail from those of Labour and the now extinct Lib Dems.
      UKIP are the “new Tories” and whilst DC may be giving a sigh of relief right now he will shortly be holding his breath and praying that he will not have to observe the arrival of Roger Helmer in the Commons. If that happens DC and his zombies are in deep doo doo.

  • dalai guevara

    What a quite extraordinary fun and games it was last night – when will they count some seats, or hang on, did the jocks launch a large number of Florida trained Dubya lawyers to contest the result?

    • the viceroy’s gin

      …have they counted up all your sockpuppets, lad?

  • david trant

    If the Tories can hold Newark relatively comfortably in the by-election
    there next Thursday, the Tory party will go into the summer in good

    And if they don’t?

    This reminds me of those pieces churned out by the Tory Press when IDS was leader, how the Tory Party were 100% behind him, well they were, being behind someone is necessary when you intend to stab in the back.

  • southerner

    The MSM have called this wrong for the past few months and continue to do so today. Their scrabbling around to justify the rubbish they have been writing for months is hilarious to behold.

    This is the beginning of the end of the Camerloons and the socialist un-conservatives and the formation of a proper conservative party in its place. The current party are clearly beyond help as evidenced by the fingers-in-ears responses to the election results last night. Usual vacuous professional politician responses with a “we can still win the GE” and the endless repetition about this being a protest vote. Most hilariously is the knee-jerk pretend tough EU immigration measures that will do absolutely nothing and will only fool the slow of mind (hooky et al).

    By the way Hooky – what’s third place feel like? Still think your hero Dave has a future?

  • evad666

    I thought as I have been banned from the Guardian and Labour List I would share this gem off Labour List. My additions in double brackets

    The two most toxic areas of debate, which UKIP have simplistic and
    bigoted answers to, are immigration and Europe. Labour are, broadly, in
    favour of both, and properly so (( How else are the smoked salmon socialists in Hampstead to get their domestic staff? We do remember Mr Blunkett bending the rules?)). However, Labour are currently not
    willing (or perhaps able) to make a positive case for either. You
    cannot possibly win an election if you have two policies which a large
    portion of your core vote don’t agree with, unless you’re willing to try
    to convince them otherwise. Miliband isn’t willing to engage on Europe
    or immigration, and Cooper is if anything worse.

    • Colonel Mustard

      I note that hubristic “and properly so”. It speaks volumes for the Labour mentality that thinks it can never be wrong, never acknowledges let alone apologises for its mistakes and always blames someone else for anything bad that happens.

      Unfortunately that arrogant mentality is not just firmly rooted in Labour but also in the “shadow establishment” of quangocracy, fake charity la la land and media that pulls all the strings.

      Long way to go to get rid of that unelected gang.

      • Makroon

        Very true.
        Why does Farage never mention them ?

        • the viceroy’s gin

          He mentions you LibLabCon clones all the time, lad.

        • Colonel Mustard

          He has.

          “UK Independence Party leader Nigel Farage has told BBC Radio 5 live that he wants to see further cuts to government spending – starting with quangos. He claimed that lowering taxes and cutting public sector jobs would help boost the economy. Farage told BBC Radio 5 live’s Victoria Derbyshire, “We’re in real trouble. Our public services, our overseas aid, all the things we’re spending money on – we can’t afford to go on as we are. We have to make big cuts.””

          • Makroon

            Thanks for that – a bit tangential though ?
            He probably knows that a lot of his home-counties support are National Trust – fake charities – BBC junkies.

            • Colonel Mustard

              You lost it with “home-counties support”. Not just incredible after yesterday’s results but bordering on the telemachean. Unless by “home-counties support” you mean a non-metrapolitan England that has been silent but never gone away.

              And frankly I doubt it. Those types are much more likely to bleat about far right extremism, racism, enrichment, invigoration, that sort of thing.

              • Makroon

                I’m not saying the entire UKIP electorate, but the ‘home counties support’ – boomers, not particularly wealthy, resentful, are still important and not to be trifled with.
                (Don’t end The Archers or call the NT to account, if you value your life).

        • the viceroy’s gin

          …and why doesn’t your hero Call Me Dave never mention them?

  • Kitty MLB

    The Lib Dems are more the hurt by the council and EU elections
    they are irrevesibly damaged and are in no position to dictate
    to the Conservative party. Who must be more assertive,
    why on earth can we not call for a early general election
    and be rid of them once and for all.
    I forsee that after next years election the Lib Dems will
    not be one of the main 3 parties.
    And as for Labour, an opposition party being beaten….Oops!
    People are clearly sick of the left and we can see that across Europe who are also sick of the EU.

  • beenzrgud

    Clegg is finished, and not a minute too soon. It’s about time he trotted off to Brussels where he will not doubt be provided with a cushy number !

  • Grey Wolf

    There is no point discussing Lib Dems or Clegg anymore. They are finished as an electoral force. The party will now witness infighting and it couldn’t be coming at a worse time. Smug politicians like Danny Alexander are actually bad news for Lib Dems.

    Why is this article spreading the lie that Tories are happy with coming 3rd. What is wrong with the author’s head? If Labour should be upset about being upstaged by UKIP then why should Cameron be happy about trailing both UKIP and Labour, regardless of the margin?

    Stupid analysis!

    • the viceroy’s gin

      The Speccie kid’s paid to lie.

    • Makroon

      The pre-election opinion polls had the Tories down at about 20.5% and Labour and UKIP neck and neck on about 26-27%.
      It’s not “management of expectations”, it is outcomes versus expectations.

  • starfish

    The bubble muppets don’t get it

    They are inside the bubble which has defied national trends of Eu scepticism

    Seems UKIP is becoming the national party outside the M25

    I am still astounded anyone votes for miliband who has conclusively proved his ineptitude

    • telemachus

      I fear you are right
      The time of Morley and Outwood is coming

      • Erictheowl

        You mean Blinky is going to lose his seat? I do look forward to that.

        • telemachus

          His friendly media persona will deliver an increased majority

          • Erictheowl

            Oh, Tele, you do make us all laugh. Don’t ever change, will you!

          • Colonel Mustard

            A very slim majority for the bull-necked and brass-necked Martin Bormann lookalike.

  • Rossspeak

    If Clegg is not ousted as Libdem Leader – then his party will go down in flames. There may be no viable alternative Leader – and whilst I have little sympathy for Libdem policies it will be a shame to see a party full of mainly honourable people dragged down largely because of the arrogance, duplicity and devious manoeuvering of one man.
    Bonfire of the vanities!

  • Rhoda Klapp8

    What has GP appointment times to do with the EP? The only Labour policy for the EP is to continue to vote along with the blob.

    Why do the media never treat the EUs as a real election?

    The sad thing about this result and the parade of useless talking heads on my TV this morning is the total predictability of it all, the standardisation of the losers’ statements, the promises to listen which don’t make it to the end of the sentence before being reneged. And the media are not just observing this, they are a major part of what is wrong.

    This political class is broken. Time we had another.

    • telemachus

      The political class is not broken
      What has happened is that they are reinvigorated
      Cameron has the mandate for his renegotiations in Europe and his, yes his plans for a referendum with his timetable
      He was magnificent on this on Today
      Clegg has become irrelevant
      Miliband had better send his tanks to Morley and Outwood

      • Rhoda Klapp8

        If you speak for them, they are more broken than I thought.

        • Colonel Mustard

          It’s a Common Purpose thing – cross party socialism and global communitarianism. Which is where ALL the problems stem from.

        • MirthaTidville

          He does..oh he does

        • Kitty MLB

          The Lib Dems are broken and Labour have been broken for
          years. As happens to all the Left. But not the Conservative Party and they when not tied to the pointless Lib Dems will
          be the invigorated ones and are what the country needs.
          A Conservative Majority with Conservative Ministers and
          a Conservative manifesto without Lib Dem nonsense.
          We are quite finished with coalitions and don’t do deals.

    • Kaine

      Let’s treat it like a proper election then. UKIP got 28% of the vote on a turnout in the mid thirties. They will send 22 representatives to a Parliament they themselves say has no power. Since they will not ally with any other groups in the European Parliament, they will not have access to even the modest oversight powers the Parliament does have. Indeed, even their role as the bad boys shouting at the back is going to be stolen by the FN.

      The only way these results are relevant is if you look at them not as selections for Brussels, but as an indication of sentiment here, which means people were not treating it as a ‘real election’.

      You can’t have it both ways.

  • Hexhamgeezer

    Clegg will have learnt that it doesn’t work to be openly brazen with Euro lies. Best he shuts up and lets the MSM continue with it’s tried and trusted methods of lies. distortions, and nothing to see heres which has served them so well for 40 years.

    • In2minds

      “Clegg will have learnt….”, I doubt it. The mighty Clegg has no need of real information, and he has his EU pension to keep him warm!

  • RavenRandom

    The Conservatives should consider local pacts with UKIP where appropriate. There’s no point in letting Labour in. This would of course benefit UKIP as well.
    Politics in Britain in aggregate has moved right. It would be anti-democratic for the left to win just because the two right wing parties split the vote in our ludicrous FPTP system.

    • David B

      Listening to Farage on the Today program, it sounds like the deal for “no national deal, but lets do local deals” is either in the bag or very close to it

      • RavenRandom

        Thanks I didn’t know that. It’s the best way to reflect the aggregate will of the electorate.

        • David B

          Just be careful that was my reading of the interview, he did not say it straight out!

          • RavenRandom

            Well let’s hope common sense rather than dogma prevails.

    • WatTylersGhost

      Conservate “right” – tosh.

    • Rhoda Klapp8

      Only in the case where both parties are worried about support do they both need a pact. While UKIP are riding high, why would they want to have a pact with a loser?

      • RavenRandom

        It’s a logical thing to do. It improves UKIPs chances of getting MPs. It improves the chances of there being referendum on in-out in Europe, if Labour wins then another five years of EU meddling and entrenchment. It’s better democracy, better reflecting the will of the people. This kind of result helps no one: Con 30% UKIP 30% Lib Dem 7% Lab 33%… Joe Bloggs, Labour, is duly elected MP for Dienfranchisedton.

        • Colonel Mustard

          It is logical. Unfortunately the sticking point is David Cameron of Common Purpose and UAF who seems to prefer the vanquished Lib Dems.

          • MirthaTidville

            Politically, he is of course one of them Colonel

        • Rhoda Klapp8

          You will not get the northern working class vote in a pact with the tories.

          • RavenRandom

            No perhaps not, but you do it subtly. Don’t put resources behind a local candidate. Let the UKIP person have a free run, and say the truth, that why let Labour win when the majority don’t want it? The public will vote tactically anyway, might as well make it more explicit and save people wasting votes.

            • the viceroy’s gin

              You don’t need a deal for that.

          • Makroon

            Exactly. And these voters might become the majority voting for UKIP and the most ‘stickable’.
            Farage is already choosing his words carefully.
            The home-counties buffer brigade might find that their party has morphed into a centrist, protectionist, party, with a centre of gravity in the Midlands.

            • the viceroy’s gin

              The split will inevitably be geographic in nature, simply because the Londonistan bubble is filled with leeches of all types, who suckle on the teat of socialist government. It attracts leeches, various strains of leeches, and that is the bubble’s electoral bloc. It is opposed by everybody else, and thus you have the current electoral map, as even Ray Charles can see.

      • Kitty MLB

        All parties have their moments in the sunshine
        only the very foolish assume the rain will not
        come.And public oppinion changes with the wind.
        At the moment its been about immigration and
        The EU . And not other subjects.

      • robertsonjames

        We can take it from the fact Farage hasn’t declared his candidacy for a specific seat next May that at UKIP HQ they still aren’t at all sure privately that he’d be a shoe-in in any single constituency in Britain and so are waiting for further evidence before he finally commits.

        That sounds to me like a party which candidly knows its chances of winning more than one or two MPs at most without a deal with the Tories is slim. With a deal, however, a couple of dozen or more UKIP MPs ought to be very likely.

        Conversely the Tories know why they need a deal. They have to limit in 2015 the chances of what happened to Heathcoat-Amery, a good Eurosceptic, at Wells in 2010, when the Kippers split the vote and let a rabidly Eurofanatic Lib Dem through the middle, or indeed in Morley and Outwood where the Kippers attracted just enough to stop the excellent Tory insurgent Tony Calvert dramatically beating Ed Balls.

        The alternative for both parties is virtually no seats for UKIP, the Tories on 250-280 seats and Labour forming a majority government with just 34% of the vote as it proceeds to sign us up to the next Treaty that Merkel wants without any British referendum and re-opens the flood-gates to Labour-friendly new arrivals. Quite how that’s a victory for Euroscepticism or the cause of restricting immigration, which the Kippers claim are their political priorities, is hard to see.

        • the viceroy’s gin

          All of LibLabCon will sell out to the EUSSR and bring on unfettered immigration, as the Camerluvvies are showing even today.

          But if you dislike the Laborg for some reason, suggest you not split the UKIP vote. Remember: “Vote Cameroon get Laborg.”

          • robertsonjames

            If the Tories have fewer than 326 seats and are dependent upon UKIP MPs’ support to govern and get legislation through the Commons, which is the point of the kind of deal we’re talking about, how exactly would the Prime Minister be able to “sell out”?

            I realise that too many Kippers have a sub-GCSE grasp of constitutional matters and basic political mechanics but if you’re telling us a Miliband government not giving us a referendum while signing us up to the next Treaty is somehow preferable in Eurosceptic terms to a Tory-led administration reliant on a significant Kipper phalanx of MPs backing it you really have jumped the shark.

            • the viceroy’s gin

              No sense fantasizing hypotheticals, lad. Suffice to say that LibLabCon lies, or “sells out” as you put it, as a matter of course. No need to describe or fantasize the process, it just happens.

              And insulting the people whose votes you’re trying to attract isn’t a wise idea, lad. I would have thought you Camerluvvies would have figured that out by now.

              Just keep it simple, and get your head wrapped around this: In 11.5 months, Call Me Dave’s head is going to be mounted on a spike.

      • Kitty MLB

        The only party that has been damaged is The Lib Dems and Labour
        are heading for political history at some point. The Conservative
        party do not do pacts and coalitions have proved they do not work#
        We need a Conservative majority with a Conservative manifesto
        untainted with Lib Dem nonsense. The EU vote was only about
        who represents us their and ramblings in Brussels. Its not about
        who governs the country and as far as that is concerned, its a lot
        more difficult and requires experienced ministers and manifestos.
        And throwing stones at others will not help.

    • John Lea

      Ah, but Cameron is a man of principle and doesn’t do deals or pacts. Just ask his coalition partners.

      • JoeDM

        Maybe its just another ‘cast iron’ pledge.

    • Kitty MLB

      No the Conservatives should not do pacts.They should
      dump the treachrous Lib Dems and call for a early election.
      Conservative government with Conservative MP’s
      Conservative policies and excessive immigration dealt
      with. That is what the country needs. No coalitions,
      no pacts and the end of leftie labour and liberal ideals
      And as some point with UKIP as opposition.
      But as Nigel Farage has said work needs dealing with at
      the higher levels of his party…and policies, policies and

    • Conway

      I wouldn’t trust the Conservatives to deliver, frankly.

  • Colin

    Let’s wait for the Newark result. Then we’ll see if Dave should be worried.

    • the viceroy’s gin

      Oh, the Camerloons are worried, no matter this Speccie lickspittle’s agitprop.

    • Conway

      Yes, I’ll be watching Newark with interest; a good showing for UKIP in Newark (Con majority just over 16k) should be an indicator of how safe my MP’s seat is.

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