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PM optimistic about Immigration Bill as rebels stay stubborn

27 January 2014

David Cameron was very upbeat for a Monday morning when he popped up on the Today programme a few minutes ago. Perhaps it was partly down to a not-particularly aggressive interview, or perhaps it was because the Prime Minister wants to continue the theme of his New Year’s message and be upbeat about the prospects for the economy and living standards where Labour continues to be pessimistic (that optimism, of course, is easier to find when you decide to release figures showing take home pay improving that do not take into account the effect of benefit cuts or tax rises, but there we go). He repeatedly said he was an optimist, particularly when confronted with Nicky Morgan’s comments about the Conservative message.


But where the Prime Minister sounded perhaps his most absurdly optimistic was on the Immigration Bill. The level of migration into the UK of Bulgarian and Romanian migrants had so far been ‘reasonable’, which is as close to a benchmark as any senior government politician has come. But he also tried to sound optimistic about the prospects for the legislation itself, mired in a series of rows that don’t just touch on the transitional controls issue. He sounded mildly self-deprecating when he said the bill had taken a ‘short break’ over the Christmas holiday but that ministers were hoping to make progress with the Bill. And he repeated his earlier pledge to backbenchers that in future he would expect new entrants to the EU to see restrictions until their economies are on a similar level to other member states.

The problem is that the rebels see each rebellion as a means of squeezing a new concession out of Cameron: and they know the technique works. That Mills is refusing to withdraw his amendment suggests that they want something bigger before they’ll back down. And optimism alone won’t swing it.

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  • Fak_Zakaix

    The little Englanders must thank the two Balkan countries. Such a good excuse…

  • Lady Magdalene

    Cameron’s claim that immigration from Romania and Bulgaria is reasonable is not “based on any discernible facts”. So says Mr Cameron’s Official Spokesman.
    So it’s just his opinion then. Give me strength ……….

    • James Strong

      So Cameron makes a statement for public consumption even though he has no reason to believe it.
      He must really despise the people of this country to do that.
      We really must reciprocate; scorn and derision are part of the the appropriate reaction to this man.

      • the viceroy’s gin

        …well, that, and mounting his head on a spike, 15.25 months from now.

  • Patricia

    Cameron likes to keep the immigration debate down to EU members – thinking that we’ll forget about the hordes who have arrived and will keep on arriving from various African / Asian and Arab countries.
    He’s done nothing to amend the ridiculous Human Right Bill resulting in foreign-born desperados who have killed or maimed British citizens being able to stay here because of their “right to a family life”.
    All his “promises” are for the future – it’s always “jam tomorrow”. He has a duty of care toward British citizens and he has proved negligent

    • HookesLaw

      Leading countries for immigration are India USA Australia Canada. A significant number of ‘immigrants’ are emigrants returning.

  • anyfool

    Well you have to say that his disingenuous talking so far seems to be working, UKIPs rise now seems to be stalled in the south and maybe confined to Labours Northern heartlands, the bye election in Manchester might show the truth of what local elections seem to show.
    Maybe Hooky should play the B-side of his record that goes, vote Ukip get Tory.

    • HookesLaw

      If you don’t want europhile labour vote tory
      If you want a refferendum vote tory
      If you want an economic recovery vote tory

  • Lady Magdalene

    It is irrelevant whether the Prime Minister considers that immigration from Romania and Bulgaria has “been reasonable”.
    If it hadn’t “been reasonable” there’s nothing he can (or will) do about it.
    The British Government gave away our Sovereignty and the ability to control our borders.

  • In2minds

    “David Cameron was very upbeat……….. absurdly optimistic”

    No he gabbled, he’s lost it and it shows.

  • Kitty MLB

    ‘The level of migration of Romanians and Bulgarians has so far been reasonable’
    Well it will be gradual, the point is you have no control.
    Also dear smiling villain PM ( although he’s not smiling here)
    if these poor European countries see that our economy apparently is ‘ improving’
    and the dying elephant of the EU takes a turn for the worse, then they may
    just turn up and any little bill in parliament cannot stop them- and you would never go against the EU.
    Also, If David Cameron believes he has issues with these rebels now,
    then just let him wait until he does not have those little yellow shields to hide behind.
    The Conservative Party removed someone far greater, dutiful, competent ,
    patriotic and loyal then our magniloquent, pigeon liver’d windbag of a leader
    who has spent these past few years somnambulistically living in his own little world,
    with the help of his leftie friends in parliament.

    • southerner

      Well put.

      Hookey will be along in a few minutes to tell us how wonderfully well Dave and the rest of the Cameron luvvies are doing. He might even put on the “Vote UKIP get Labour” record.

      • Kitty MLB

        Thank you.
        Camservatives are utterly
        shrouded in a syrupy, tenebrous, suffocating and hackneyed Cameroon fog- spouting
        sycophantically fawning over every little word Cameron spouts-
        and trying to create a false image that Tory’s support Cameron.
        ” Vote Camservative already have Labour” is closer to the truth.

      • HookesLaw

        See below!
        And as if you lot do not play the same dreary record to each other all the time.

        • Alexsandr

          so I vote for a party I don’t think is fit to govern just to keep another party not fit to govern out? You have a warped view of democracy. I think everyone should vote for who they want to won.

          • Kitty MLB

            Indeed, good points.

          • HookesLaw

            The tories ae fit to govern.
            UKIP are fit for nothing

            • Alexsandr

              oo sez?

        • southerner

          Can’t be bothered to look for it. I know what it says anyway.

          Which duvet set has your Mum given you for this week? Sam and Dave or the Michael Gove?

          • HookesLaw

            Action Man.
            Which trumps your Mickey Mouse any day.

            • southerner

              Action Man? Good sense of irony being a Cameron supporter.

              Good to see that, despite our acute political differences (I am a conservative and you are not) you have a sense of humour. Personal sleights on this or any other forum are unnecessary and if I have engaged in them I apologise.

              • HookesLaw

                You have to laugh haven’t you.
                I laugh at your telling me I’m not a Conservative. My grandmother was a member of the Primrose League. My parents and all my immediate family were/are Conservatives and we were brought up in a strong ‘Labour’ mining town.

                • southerner

                  Don’t doubt it for a second old son. Makes your support for Cameron and his lefty friends all the more perplexing.

                  I could put you right over a beer or three.

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