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Is Nigel Farage losing his touch?

8 November 2013

Is Nigel Farage’s magic disappearing? On Question Time last night (his 15th appearance in four years) the Ukip leader was taken to task by an audience member who asked him to ‘stop scaremongering the majority of people’ — followed by the kind of rousing cheer that Farage himself used to draw.

The Tory defence minister (and former TV anchor) Anna Soubry finished off the attack with an impassioned defence of immigration, in language that Farage usually uses to attack it. This left him flummoxed. Here’s what she had to say:

‘You do not talk facts, you talk prejudice. You scaremonger, you put fear in people’s hearts. Times are tough, we know that. But when times are tough, there is a danger and history tells us when things are not good, you turn to the stranger and you blame them. And you shouldn’t. That is wrong and I’m proud of our country’s history. I’m proud that people  come here, these are good people. Sometimes not all of them are, like people in our country, but they come here to work


Nor was Farage on vintage form at our Parliamentarian of the Year awards yesterday. Although some ribbing of the establishment and the crowd is to be expected, his remarks were seen by some as rather graceless:

‘I know that nearly all of you in the room despise Ukip and that’s absolutely with fine by me. I’m jolly well going to make sure at the European elections  next year, even more of you despise me, Ukip and the many millions who  are going to vote for us’.

Just a few months ago, Farage announced he was taking a step back from the television microphones to ‘get a grip’ on Ukip. Instead, he’s just undertaken a mini-tour of UK theatres for ‘An Evening with Nigel Farage’ — some of which I understand drew the sort of audiences Ukip had five years ago (i.e. rather small ones).

Every party leader can have bad days. But not every party is so dependent on the star quality of its leader. Farage is placing a very large bet on the potency of his cheeky chap persona. If this wears thin, what’s left of Ukip?

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  • D. Hamer

    The Spectator needs to realise that no matter how they and other media sources paint a downtrodden view of UKIP and Nigel Farage, it will only serve to make UKIP stronger, read the blogs on here and in the Telegraph, almost no-one is supporting the likes of Soubry who is at best, an ancient being from another planet spouting the same old crap. I can not wait until next year and EU elections, will the British media then finally print something truthful, UKIP will wipe the floor in the EU elections, then you will have to take note. Is it any wonder the current Government wants to restrict the media, basically you lot could not lie straight in bed.

  • FreeMarketNotSlavery

    Unsurprising article. The Status quo are terrified to have anyone of real dissent in their midst and will quite happily get together to ensure its a two horse race of cloned and co-opted mainstream parties. The open door policy that was never discussed, in parliament, voted for by MP’s or approved by referendum is immigrations biggest problem. If this is the contempt that the elite hold the people in then they clearly dont need us anymore. When we steal human resources from third world countries we are told we gain an an advantage. But the logical response is that those poor countries lose key people and suffer and equal and opposite disadvantage, making them less able to compete and the super rich creaming off the talent with paper money printed out of thin air to work in an illusory bubble economy. When you take Doctors and nurses out of Africa, do any of you imagine for one minute that thousands will die as a result? In other European nations people may not be dying as a result of human talent poaching, but life just got that bit harder, money tighter and aspirations lower.
    Not forgetting the millions parked on benefits who could have received training to get on the job ladder instead of being paid to stay off the jobs market whilst others were brought in. Poles come here, Czechs go to Poland, Hungarians, Serbs etc go the Czech. What is the point if not to provide cheap labour for financial bubbles, because without mass immigration the financial boom and bust would have probably not happened due to shortages of man power.

  • Two Bob

    Looks like he is not losing his touch, but is in need of surgery on his back. He is human afterall.

  • mutton

    Do I detect fear in the orchestrated attacks against Farage.
    We do not know how he would run our country but we do know how Lab/Lib/Con have done the job and they terrify me.
    I am more that willing to give Farage a go he certainly could do no worse and I think the Kray twins would make a better job of it than Cameron, Clegg, Brown and Blair.

  • Toby Esterházy

    Well, I say, having just watched the full video of the programme, what I would like to ask is, just how many of the audience actually came from the County of Lincoln, Lincolnshire born and bred (or Rutland), because it certainly does not sound like it! A left-wing UAF rent-a-mob from the Universities in Lincoln, Nottingham, Norwich and Leicester springs to mind! Is that not obvious?

  • Toby Esterházy

    Well, I say, having just watched the full video of the programme, what I would like to ask is, just how many of the audience actually came from Lincolnshire and Rutland, born and bred, because it certainly does not sound like it!

  • Geoff

    Farage is a buffoon of the first water. No thinking person can take him seriously. He is taking you all for fools and you are falling for it.

  • The PrangWizard

    I thought he did very well on the Sunday Politics yesterday. He got much the better of Andrew Neil and not many people do that.

  • Cornelius Bonkers

    But of course Farage is beginning to lose his grip. He is always in a minority of one no matter on which “show” he appears. He’s a patsy for ambush precisely because these “shows” are dictatorships of the like-minded. To make any dent in the liberal progressive consensus, UKIP and Farage will have to show incredible resistance to this cabal. I wish him all the best but I’m not hopeful. By the time the Euro-elections come around, Dimbleby, Paxman, et al will have done such a job on him that the general public will be spelling his name H-I-M-M-L-E-R. A couple of weeks ago Tommy Robinson threw in the towel under similar pressure; so when the same happens to Farage ??? Goodbye free speech, hello multicultural chaos…

  • chris_xxxx

    “Is Nigel Farage losing his touch?”

    No. And you will get hard evidence of this in May 2014, when UKIP will likely do very well.

    Nigel Farage is correct, when stating that a lot of the broadsheets do not like UKIP. The party is the opposite to their London metro liberal view points.

  • Beth Dawson

    This Spectator commentator is just joining the ranks of the establishment bullies shown up so clearly in Question Time. The last electoral results in Boston showed huge support for UKIP, with UKIP winning a number of seats and coming second in others, so the Question Time audience in Boston was clearly hand-picked by the BBC to have a ‘liberal’ political bias – not to mention the panel who were ganging up on Nigel Farage like playground bullies. This sort of behaviour just shows the public what liberal bigots we have running the establishment, or to put it in plain terms – what bullies they are. We know that the political elite has managed to silence public debate on the EU and on immigration up until now but those days are gone with support for UKIP rising. Sorry, if that disappoints you!

  • DrCoxon

    ‘This left him flummoxed.’

    He did not look flummoxed in the clip presented here.
    [I cannot stand the left-wing bias of the BBC and so do not have a television.
    Hence my reliance on the clip.]

    • Daniel Maris

      Quite. So how did Sebastian Payne – against 90% of the comments here – come to the conclusion he was “flummoxed”. Answer? Perhaps someone fed him that line.

    • Nick

      You don’t have a television? Which means that you can’t watch the X-Factor.
      You haven’t lived.

      • DrCoxon

        Verily, I am the walking dead.

        • Nick

          Now the Walking Dead is a really good series.Usually zombies are not my sort of thing but for once I really enjoy watching a zombie apocalypse programme.

          • DrCoxon

            I shall walk around to a relative who has a television one day and watch these programmes. Thank you for your recommendations.
            Zombie apocalypse programme – would that be about some Westminster politicians?

            • Nick

              That’s the one 😉

  • George Scoresby

    No, but the Spectator is.

  • Abhay

    Nigel did well, I think, given that everyone on the panel was opposed to him including that clueless Zephaniah who believes he is a poet.

  • DazEng

    Also, notice not one of the politicians would answer the question on immigration.

    • Daniel Maris

      Yep , I think any disinterested observer would have noted that. Only Farage addressed the issue.

  • DazEng

    So forget the fact you had a loaded audience and panel?

  • DanCM

    Hmmm, I thought his performance was pretty good, given that on that particular subject, he was alone amongst the five panellists in his views. I thought he held himself well when attacked by the slightly plump female audience member, who kept interrupting him (as did Emily Thornberry for that matter). I say that as someone who doesn’t agree with Farage on immigration, even if I respect the way he handles himself. As for Anna Soubry, I simply take the view that she doesn’t really say what she thinks, nor does she mean what she says. She’s a typical bland politician with nothing interesting to say.

  • Tom

    That women not only insulted Farage but anyone in this country with concerns about immigration.
    Her dislike of such people and the unemployed was disgraceful,she may as well have come out with a placard saying VOTE UKIP.
    A job well done .

    • Daniel Maris

      Absolutely disgraceful…lots of our teenage unemployed brought up in this country are up against third world immigrants prepared to work for next to nothing and live four to a room in unsanitary conditions. The idea they should be prepared to do the same is ridiculous.

      • Tom

        Its a crime that we have over 1million unemployed under the age of 25 and the only party bothered about it is UKIP.

  • Fran

    Farage never had a “touch”. He’s more likely just run out of fearful reactionaries his bumbling demagoguery might appeal to.

  • Rilman

    Did anyone notice the Russian chap saying we are losing our British identity?

    I guess he’s a xenophobic racist too….

  • Lap Dog of the Sheffields

    I think you saw a different show to the rest of us. I saw a left wing plant, screathcing and demanding facts. When she was given them she threw a track and then ran to Dimbelby to help her save face.

    Nice try, but it’s not working anymore. Why don’t you stick with calling everyone racist, it’s what you are good at.

  • Lady Magdalene

    Is Farage losing his touch? ………….. you wish.
    No. He was ‘debating’ with a panel of 4 plus a Chairman opposing him and an audience especially picked by the BBC to provide a strong pro-immigration challenge.
    He did very well – just as he always does.

  • Epimenides

    Soubry ought to be on TV every day. I thought Cameron and Clarke were the UKIP’s recruiting sergeants but Soubry should be a Brigadier.

  • Epimenides

    Who is this moron? Is Payne a defector from the ‘Staggers’? Maybe a clone of Toynbee.

  • Littlegrayman

    Farage came across as the only honest politician on the panel.
    The Question Time researchers and producers should be fired for not having more Labour and Marxists in the audience. They are obviously slipping!

  • Swanky

    Or, S. P.: You’re a warmed-over soft-haddock Lefty who never liked UKIP in the first place.

  • John Gem

    One could be forgiven for thinking the Tory Minister for Defence was a Labour Party spokesperson. Doesn’t sound like a Conservative at all. Is the world upside down? What is this woman doing in the Tory party?

    In regards to the writers claim that Farage losing his touch. I don’t think so Sebastian~. Nice try but the Tory has just unmasked herself as a lefty that means more votes for Farage. She’s clearly threatened by him. Will it be enough? I don’t know but he is still taking huge steps forward.

  • Daniel Maris

    At least there was ONE prescient Tory MP:

    “One Tory MP told him: ‘She is a train wreck waiting to happen.’ ”

    And so it came to pass: she did indeed become a train wreck, destroying the hopes of the Tories that they could somehow bury Farage and UKIP.

  • Smithersjones2013

    Here is Rod Liddle’s response to this spineless piece of Cameroon door-mattery by Payne. Perhaps Payne should be taught to take notice of his elders by his parents whilst he’s still wet behind the ears and able to change his evidently sycophantically ill-considered ways:

    I can just about take bien pensant lefties attacking UKIP for
    ‘scaremongering’ about immigration and accusing the party of being
    racist and prejudiced and so on. After all, a good many of them would
    have unlimited and unrestricted immigration to this country – and I can
    at least see a logical and moral case to that argument, even if I don’t
    agree with it. But from a front bench Tory?

    I don’t know if you saw the ridiculous Anna Soubry MP spouting
    hypocritical bilge on Question Time. It was emetic. Accusing Nigel Farage of ‘putting fear into people’s hearts’ over the issue of immigration. How she could do that with a straight face is beyond me. For three years now the Conservatives have attacked Labour’s immigration policy and the Prime Minister has pledged to drastically reduce the numbers coming into the country. Why? It can’t be because we LIKE them coming in. It must be because the Tories realise we do not like unrestricted immigration and wish to see it stopped. Have some moral spine, Soubry, you shameless boiler

    Says it all really

    • Daniel Maris

      Yes, an excellent intervention by Rod, showing that Sebastian Payne’s interpretation is completely off centre, not to say deluded.

  • Daniel Maris

    I am not sure that the careers of any of the journalists involved in the pre-planned assassination attempt on Nigel Farage will survive this episode. This has really exposed the way the political elite work. From now on anyone who agreed to hold a knife in this assassination attempt on a perfectly decent politician who was just trying to express the views and concerns of people is forever tainted. We won’t forget.

  • Jenny_Tells

    It seems incredible to me that the three main parties are so pro-EU. Read what Barroso has to say, or Van Rompuy, or Merkel. More integration, not less, is the message. Do our MPs not realise that they are ringing their own death knell?

    Once sovereignty is completely lost to the EU, who will govern Britain? It won’t be the Bundestag or the French Parliament, nor will it be the EU Parliament in Strasbourg. The EU’s seat of power lies in Brussels, where faceless bureaucrats design the rule book which controls our lives. Westminster will gradually be demoted to the status of a regional administrative centre that dispenses and enforces the rules, regulations and directives, as prescribed by Brussels, in a manner that is not too unpalatable to the British.

    Immigration is simply one aspect of our loss of sovereignty. Similarly, we have had to close some of our power stations in order to comply with the EU’s directives. Although it is not part of the EU per se, the European Court of Human Rights has added all sorts of complications to our judicial process, especially with regard to the rights of immigrants and the deportation of undesirable extremists.

    You may well ask: how is it that control over our own destiny and self determination have been squandered so pointlessly? What has EU membership given us in return? In fact, no Europhile MP has explained the positive benefits, only negative aspects of quitting the EU; viz., the presumed economic catastrophe that would ensue. This negative argument has been shown to be untrue, so why exactly is Britain still a member of the EU?

    • Daniel Maris

      I don’t agree with your analysis really. We had mass immigration before we joined the EU (EEC as then was). Norway has had mass immigration despite being outside the EU.

      I want us to leave the EU, but I think we have to understand the different issues we face with respect to our constitution and our immigration policy.

      Ideally we should leave the EU and put in place a referendum-based democracy as in Switzerland, which will then stop the policy of mass immigration advocated by all the main parties.

      [Historical note: The Greens are now a pro-mass immigration party but when they started out as the Ecology Party they were against mass immigration, for good reasons I would say. Are you listening Caroline Lucas? LOL]

      • Jenny_Tells

        As I recall, way back in the 50s and 60s, immigration from Commonwealth countries was encouraged to increase the labour force of our textile industry. Nowadays, much of the older, labour intensive, industries has departed these shores.

        If there is a need for specific skills that are lacking, then immigration to address the deficits is welcome. But to allow indiscriminate immigration because of EU directives is nonsensical.

        Anyone trying to emigrate to Australia or New Zealand will know just how choosy these countries are. Yet nobody has accused the Australians or New Zealanders of being “racist”. Yet this is the sort of slur that is thrown at UKIP.

        • Daniel Maris

          LOL I think you need to do a bit more research. Plenty of people criticised Australia’s immigration policy in the immediate post war policy as racist (it was looking for white Europeans – others need not apply) and it was – it was designed to exclude Asians for instance. They gradually altered their policy so now it is pretty much open to all applicants.

          Importation of labour was encouraged in the 50s and 60s in a wide variety of sectors not just textiles – there were also the health and transport sectors specifically. But capitalists soon got the idea of how useful cheap imported labour was to them in a wide variety of sectors.

  • e2toe4

    The Russian guy was the star of the show really… swerved into view and then did an enormous reverse ferret, expectation confounding gig; maybe he was a UKiP plant who knows?

    The fact is not many people are against ‘immigration and immigrants’ in the way people who wish to frame the debate by ‘framing’ the debaters first, try to portray them.

    Ordinary people are, by and large, welcoming to ordinary people… and ordinary people are also fine with the fact that all cultures, even their own, change, alter and move on, over time.

    But the velocity of change over the last decade or more is the problem, the speed of the influx has caught out the politicians of the parties formerly known as ‘main’, and it is not that long ago they wouldn’t even discuss the issue at any price–afraid of getting tainted by the old rivers of blood stuff maybe…

    But ordinary people aren’t “just some bigoted women (and men)” — paraphrasing a famous Westminster bubble quote — they’re just ordinary people seeing that what is happening in many places isn’t always, or even usually, one big, dangerous, threatening thing, just lots of small unsettling things.

    Ordinary people see this, and being unsettled doesn’t make them closet racists and proto-facists, they’re just ordinary people seeing things changing faster than they would like them to…. even if they’re ordinary Russian people who are trying to assimilate to the culture and values of the place they came to because they like that culture and value system ,and are unsettled in case the country they came to live in ends up like the country they left behind.

    • Daniel Maris

      I agree with a lot of what you say though I think your analysis is getting a little over-complex.

      Basically, a lot of people are concerned for a number of reasons:

      1. They notice that the nature of the area they live in is changing quite dramatically – they are hearing languages other than English, they are seeing shops with unfamiliar writing etc

      2. They are seeing their wages driven down through competition from immigrants.

      3. They are seeing pressure on services they want to access like health.

      4. They are feeling huge pressure on housing – their rent is going up, they can’t get social housing or they can’t afford a deposit on a house.

      5. They are getting poorer – meaning less disposable income. Whatever they cause of that, it doesn’t look like mass immigration is making people more prosperous.

      • e2toe4

        I won’t argue with any of that.

        All of the things you list are bigger issues than the anecdote I related from personal experience.

        But I was trying to argue against the tendency of noveau reactionaries (like some in the QT audience, and on the panel) to continue to try and avoid an open debate by playing that ‘racist’ card.

        And that the tendency of main stream politicians through the 90s and early years of this century to bury what is a problem, was simply complacent or fearful politicians storing up trouble.

        Now I feel thanks to ordinary voices starting to be heard, and I thought the Russian was a surprising one in terms of what he said, I do think the debate is starting to open up properly— in no small measure because Farage was bright enough to create (or exaggerate) the cheeky chappie persona as a way of allowing him to deflect, or try and deflect, the racism charges, while tapping into that ‘ordinary people’s concern’.

        I am not a UKiP supporter, and I don’t feel that immigration is a problem that cannot be sorted out either, but I do feel it won’t be sorted until a proper debate has reached a broadly acceptable consensus.

        • Daniel Maris

          Well I wouldn’t disagree with any of that. I also am not a UKIP supporter but this is a very important issue – vital to our country’s future, and the future quality of life of our sons and daughters, and our grandchildren, so asyou imply, this is an issue where we need really a national consensus. Maybe there is no consensus possible (given the crossover with the EU) but the attempt should be made.

          The appalling attempt at character assassination on Farage by Soubry demonstrates yet again that the main parties are not prepared to have a reasoned debate.

          The Russian’s intervention was instructive. It is a mistake to assume that mass immigration is a concern only for non-immigrant families. A large proportion of people who were immigrants or born of immigrants – especially those who support our values and made an effort to adapt toour language and culture – also feel extremely uneasy about the way we see to be hurtling down a track not of people’s choosing.

          • e2toe4

            Not only agree all that..but having nothing to add either!

            All true and your bit of that Russian guy is exactly what I too from his contribution, except you’ve explained it more clearly!

  • Daniel Maris

    Just in case you haven’t noticed…Rod Liddle has, on his blog on this site, put the boot into Sebastian Payne’s travesty of an article on the Farage-Soubry clash .

  • Jen The Blue

    With nothing to choose between LibLabCon and desperate need for politics to change and the UK to leave the EUSSR I don’t think it matters what people think of Farage. We will still vote UKIP.

  • Smithersjones2013

    Adding to my previous comments I’ve noticed another aspect of the article.

    Farage is placing a very large bet on the potency of his cheeky chap persona. If this wears thin, what’s left of Ukip?

    In some ways that is a reasonable question.Chances are if Farage for some reason failed it would likely be a contest between the likes of Paul Nuttall, Diane James and Roger Helmer and a few others. To which the obvious response is who?

    However it is little different to asking what of the Tories after Cameron or what of Labour if Miliband comes a cropper or what of the SNP without Salmond?

    Other than Johnson how many of the electorate will know anything (positive) at all about Gove or May or even Osborne and as for Labour beyond the dreadful Ed Balls who is there? Cooper? Umanna? The Libdems have only Cable who has any real profile other than Clegg now Huhne has bitten the dust.

    Certainly UKIP would lose some profile if Farage disappeared from the scene (mainly due to the laziness and prejudice of the MSM) but in the post Blair era I do not see that as the problem that it might have been ten years ago. We’ve had our fill of smooth liars and one only has to look at the current leader of the Labour party (an awkward ugly duckling and veritable anti-celebrity) to realise people do not just vote on leadership persona.

    As well as that UKIP currently have many advantages that would counterbalance any loss of Farage’s profile. The main one is they lack the baggage of the three establishment parties which after the last ten years is enormous.

    I appreciate Payne really wants UKIP to fail but reports of their decline seem to be grossly overstated to the point of wishful thinking.

    PS I’ve also realised that Soubry might have been reading Coffee House because she seems to have copied the rather simplistic and unimaginative approach of some our very own Cameroon supporters who shout liar and then rhetorically wrap the establishment failures up in a pretense of success and profess their support for it. Of course such an approach is nothing more than hot air but I suppose it might impress the unthinking for at least a little while…….

    • Daniel Maris

      UKIP are there and thriving because the establishment parties have consistently failed to address the problem of mass immigration and consequent population growth. I very much doubt UKIP would be where they are purely on the constitutional issue of the EU without mass immigration.

      I doubt Soubry as a member of the political elite ever muddies her boots in the blog comments. :)

      • Smithersjones2013

        Oh I don’t know rumour has it Cameron used to and perhaps might on rare occasions still does browse the blogs. Whether they do so as much since 2010 and since the onslaught on their capabilities commenced is another matter. Many MPs write articles for Coffee House and Conhome as well so it would seem reasonable that their colleagues would be curious as to what is being said about them.

        Of course there are MP’s and former MP’s who have and still do comment on

        As for your comment on the EU and immigration without free movement of Labour what would the EU be? It seems to me that the EU would be a shrunken and shrivelled organisation without such a socially significant aspect. How would it undermine nationalism (in the wider sense of the word) without open borders? The two considerations are inextricably linked and without open borders the EU would not be a constitutional threat to anywhere near the same level.

        • Daniel Maris

          I might believe Cameron did when he was in opposition and trying to find out what made people tick…now he does the pace-making so doesn’t care.

          The inter-relationship between the issues of mass immigration and the EU’s supranationalist agenda is complex.

    • milliboot

      The difference is the ukip underlings are all nonentities whereas there are masses of able, well known politicians in both the Conservative and Lib dem parties.All MP`s i might add whereas ukip havent even got 1 MP ! the ukip bubble ha burst !

      • Smithersjones2013

        Oh please. Time after time there have been surveys where people have been asked to identify senior politicians from all the major parties and the average person is clueless. They might recognise the Prime Mnister and one or two of the cabinet and maybe an opposition leader but that’s about it.

        Just knowing the person is a politician turns people off. Yes UKIP are at a disadvantage but it’s nowhere near the level you seem to think it is.

        Furthermore, if establishment politicians were so able how is it this country is in the financial mess it is where the Government is spending £120 billion a year more than it can afford? Where the police have been exposed for so many things, Where the Health service is repeatedly condemned for failing in its duties. Where the media were allowed to continue with illegal activity for over decade despite the political class being fully aware. Where politicians have been shamed over expenses.

        The idea we have able politicians in our establishment political parties is risible. Now if you’ve finished with your purile ner-ner-ne-ner-ner type postings can we be serious about this?

      • crosscop

        ” whereas there are masses of able, well known politicians…”
        And they are the ones who have created the mess we are in. In fact, when it comes to nonentities – you can start with Cameron, Clegg and Miliband.

  • Teddy Bear

    The fact that Payne wants to view this as a victory for Soubry, and uses the BBC carefully selected QT audience response to justify his argument, shows just how disingenuous or blinkard he truly is.

    Fact is Soubry truly showed herself up for a variety of reasons, and probably lost more Tory to UKIP votes than if she would have kept her stupid mouth closed. I thought Farage handled himself very well considering the circumstances, and was shown to be quite correct in his statements.

    Especially that the BBC managed a 5 to 1 panel against him, and probably the same ratio in the audience. We’ll see how many intelligent people there are in this country in the next election.

    • Daniel Maris

      Is Sebastian Payne going to come on here and explain (a) whether he got a pre-briefing about this BEFORE QT was aired and (b) how come his view of Soubry’s (in reality, pathetic) performance differs so much from the perceptions of most people here.

      • Teddy Bear

        When I saw the list of panellists on QT before the show it was clear that the BBC were going to raise the subject of immigration. There was no surprise that we had a lefty majority audience, but it was good that some intelligent folks were able to support Nigel.

        I notice Payne doesn’t mention the fact that Soubry was calling Nigel a liar, when in fact he was quite accurate. Regarding too, the 29 million population of Bulgaria and Romania, I Googled it at the time and that was the figure it gave on various sites.

        She showed herself up to be a complete crass, desperate individual, and not averse to twisting the truth in the vain hope of winning the argument. Wouldn’t surprise me if Cameron told her after, not to appear again on QT if invited.

        • maliniok
          • Daniel Maris

            Resident population isn’t the same as citizens with passports who can move freely in the EU. But that observation may be a bit beyond you.

          • Teddy Bear

            Can you follow what I wrote?
            Just Google Population of Bulgaria and Romania and look at what most of the results tell you without clicking on a particular link.

            Do you really imagine even if it’s only 27.5 million, with many of them deciding to migrate here, it wouldn’t have a devastating effect on this country, beyond what’s happened already?

  • Sanctimony

    Anna Soubry ….Under-Secretary of State for Defence… and she is unaware that ships for the Royal Navy are being built in South Korea… you can’t Adam & Eve it…

    Good grief, she’s certainly got a great, wide-open Norf’ n Sarf and every time she opens it, she vomits out another ten thousand Tory voters.

    Stick to true-blue Tory policies, love… white weddings for Gays, wind turbines on the family estates and tax breaks for members of the Bullingdon Club.

  • Sanctimony

    Anna Soubry has just lost the Tories the next election… bring on the Dom Perignon!

  • Rilman

    We need to leave the EU. It is as simple as that and most of us know it.
    There is one party that guarantees we will leave if you vote for them.

  • Daniel Maris

    So Mr. Payne – you have some explaining to do….when exactly did Media Central of the Metro-elite get together and decide to knife Farage in the stomach?

    I now see this almost fascimile copy of your article in the Mail

    Were you watching the same programme we were? 90% hostile to the article comments here. 90% hostile comments in the Mail (over 2000 comments!) and I understand 90% hostile in the Telegraph.

    You lot in MetroCentral have really misunderstood the public mood. I hope Farage survives the sustained personal attacks he will now have to bear between now and General Election day.

    What you are doing Mr Payne is dishonourable and deplorable.

    • Daniel Maris

      I am now thinking there must have been pre-planning on this. I am assuming Conservative Central office was behind this? Presumably they think of the useless sofa queen Soubry as a “star” – she’s nothing of the sort. But you can see how they were thinking – “Let’s get Anna on up against Farage. She’s brilliant on TV. And she comes across like a modern Mrs T – who better to lay some punches on Farage than a Thatcher-sound-alike?”. Is it that Amoral Aussie behind the strategy?

      Of course the strategy might have been brilliant but the execution was pathetic, all over the place. Soubry came across as a liar (denying RN ships were being built in Korea) and unable to argue on the facts – just spraying out meaningless soundbites.

      All real patriots will now back Farage, in opposition to this low, disreputable assassination attempt.

      Come on Payne – tell us whether you had a pre-briefing on this.

      • Sanctimony

        Of course he was briefed…. and probably offered a few inducements…

        • Daniel Maris

          No need to bribe or twist
          The British journalist…

    • milliboot

      Be honest, to get that many comments on ukip you must have put a 3 line whip out on twitter and facebook at least ! the normal man in the street couldnt give a four x about ukip !

      • Daniel Maris

        Given they are polling anything between 12 and 25% I think they are plenty of normal men (and women) interested in them.

        I am not a UKIP supporter because I disagree with their economic policies but the way things are going I may vote for them as a protest against a system that is suppressing people’s views and concerns.

  • London Calling

    Farage said we needed managed migration, how on earth is that manageable ,you cannot simply stop members of EU countries from coming here. The problem is we don’t have the infrastructure to cope and that is why there is genuine concern regarding large influxes of peoples, that is why Farage has become popular, however I agree with the woman in the audience, he is scaremongering and playing on the public’s fear………………..:(

    • Smithersjones2013

      Farage said we needed managed migration, how on earth is that manageable you cannot simply stop members of EU countries from coming here

      Really are you saying the Swiss are superior to us because they have managed to implement a quota system for EU migration this year?

      If its true the establishment cannot cope isn’t it yet another reason to get rid of them and build an establishment that does work?

  • WestPopeye

    I recorded this program and after reading this appalling rubbish went to watch it.
    What a load of deliberately misleading reporting. I thought I must have been watching a different program.
    The shadow attorney general was on her usual filibustering form. The ridiculous Anna Soubry appeared to know nothing of the facts but knew how to nod like a donkey. Quite why the dread-locked poet was there I’m not sure unless it was obligatory. Of course the audience, as usual was hand picked by the ‘unbiased’ BBC. Vicky Price quite surprised me with her grasp of current affairs.
    This article bears very little relation to reality as Farage acquitted himself well in spite of Souby’s and the ghastly Labour representative’s shouting him down when he quoted facts that were an embarrassment to them.
    I notice that both the aforesaid managed to dodge the question of the massive influx that will come Jan 1st. The only consolation Nigel will garnish, is by saying, I told you so.

    • Sanctimony

      I wish I could give your post more than one recommend.

    • Andy

      Well indeed.
      Shadow Attorney General just had to read off her Fascist HQ Script. And the idiot Dimbleby allowed her to waffle on.
      Anna Soubry was out of her depth. She really needs a better grasp of her onions.
      Dread-lock poet was there for obvious ethnic reasons, no others.
      Vicky Price had a grasp of current affairs because she did spend sometime as a guest of Her Majesty – got to do something I suppose.
      The fat woman in the audience was a Labour plant – stamped through her like Blackpool rock. What Farage said was true. If the fat Labour troll thinks immigration is such a wonderful thing then we should have a referendum to approve it. we all know the people would say No.

  • Agrippina

    Soubry and that other airhead Esther McVey need to return to daytime tv. We all know that a multi occupied hme with 12 or more living there paying council tax and rent as if only 2 occupy, allows them to work for next to nothing. That is why Brits can’t compete. We want a decent work/life balance and living wage.

    50yrs of ponzi scheme immigration for cheap labour for business, has
    brought us to this. Schools, health and housing collapsing under the weight of

    The tories fight Farage instead of dealing with immigration and getting rid of the asylum seekers (economic immigrants) and illegals who come for the free
    ride, and more generous benefits for refugees than Brits.

    Watch Al Jazeera UK tonight, 8pm – 8.11.2013, Citizen or Stranger see how our
    useless govts have betrayed us and continue to do so. Vote for anyone
    but the 3 main parties unless you like living in a 3rd world overcrowded cesspit.

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