The importance of the rise of Europe

6 May 2013

In this morning’s Wall Street Journal (Europe) I have a piece on the rise of UKIP.

It is about hedgehogs, foxes and Nigel Farage. And it suggests that something important is happening in our politics. Finally.

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  • global city

    It is the European intellectual and political elite who have ingrained the multicultural doctrine across the continent. Our only chance of being able to sort it out is to disengage ourselves from this elite, and the only way to do that is to leave the European Union. The very process of the EU is to hand more and more power to them, and it being a structurally anti-democratic entity there would be nothing we could do if their powermongering was leading to an Islamist calamity.

  • zanzamander

    Mr Murray, have you given it a thought that one of the unintended consequences of us leaving EU is that we will lose the ability to unite against the rise of Islam in Europe, which (as I’ve said before) is of a far bigger threat than all the other troubles currently challenging the EU.

    • Mussi Buma

      The situation vis a vis islam is far worse in countries such as Holland, Germany and France. The French government has banned their media from even reporting on those nights when muslims torch up to 1000 cars. Just like the French media covered up the mutiny by muslim sailors, who commandeered a French warship (they hatched their plot in their “prayer” room, which the kuffar cannot enter).

      We have already seen an exodus of Somalis from Germany to Leicester. The UK needs to get out of the EU before French, Dutch & German muslims decide that the UK is a softer touch (as the Somalis from Germany decided).

      After leaving the EU, our government can dynamite the channel tunnel.

    • Wessex Man

      So the next time, our Euopean Partners won’t be selling military kit to our enemy as they did in large numbers to the Argies in the Falklands War!

  • mightymark

    Interesting though that with all the virtually unanimous condemnation of the EU here, no one has raised a single particular point as to the EU with which the disagree. Oh yes – there’s the usual stuff about it being “undemocratic” but that is undermined by the suspicion that were any proposal made to make it more so the usual suspects here would scream blue murder about it becoming a “superstate”

    • Mussi Buma

      It is a super-state already, and a profoundly undemocratic (i.e. fascist/corporatist state at that). Just take a look at your passport. Mine says “European Union” on it.

      • mightymark

        Keep taking the tablets!

        • Mussi Buma

          Said by someone who has no understanding that fascism was a merger of socialism with big business. The Tories were all for the EEC when it was about business; once the EU started to compel minimum wages, maximum working hours on member states, the British socialist party got on board. Now LibLabCon “social democrat” parties are all behind the EU because it is a modern incarnation of the Fascist project from the 1920s.

          Ignorant people like you have no idea that the 1919 Fascist manifesto reads like a Labour Party manifesto from 1999.,_1919

          • mightymark

            Said by someone who clearly believes that

            “fascism was a merger of socialism with big business. ”

            Sorry my earlier post was wrong – I should have said find some better ones to take.

            • Mussi Buma

              Clearly mightymark hasn’t got a clue about the nature of fascism. No wonder the ignoramus has to resort to ad hominem.

              • mightymark

                I don’t think it is very sensible to call someone an “ignoramus” and then go on to complain about resorts to “ad hominem”.

                I can assure you that I have as broad a knowledge of fascism as anyone who did not live through the 1930s having studied it at school and university and spoken to many of its victims. My father was a refugee from Austria.

                Your views are far from consensual as to the phenomenon of fascism as you well know – actually they are rather quaint to put it mildly. What you are doing is trying to do is associate a particular bad (fascism) with other things you consider to be bad (socialism). This is a silly game played by the far left who try equally inanely to associate capitalism with war, corruption and disease as if such things never happened under any other economic system. Basically it is a form of propoganda as it almost certainly is in your case so you are in good company there I think

  • Eddie

    I would say the real gap here is between the pragmatists and the idealists: the former want Europe to be a trading body without the bureaucracy, corruption and Napoleonic ambition; the latter (most bureaucrats and politicians) want the EU to have more money and power and to be the government of Europe. The British are pragmatists, by and large; the French, dogmatic ideologues.

    The British people did not vote in 1975 for the EU – they voted for the EEC, a purely trading organisation. The sneaky French were trying all along, however, to hoodwink everyone and to slip in a centralised Europe run under the French theory-driven state-heavy model from the start.

    There is such a mismatch: the politicians love the EU, as do greedy coporates; 70-80% of the people hate it and want to leave the EU – and even those who want to stay in are constantly embarrassed by the bureaucracy and corruption (like a commissioner getting £400,000 of EU – ie our – money to find a new job for a year after stopping being a commissioner).

    Maybe we should just leave the EU? We would still be affected by its policies though, as Switzerland is re banking regulation.
    The best thing would be if the whole European grand projet was scrapped completely and the EU resumed its role as a trading body alone. Germany would probably support that – the French, as always, are the problem: they so want to dominate Europe in the French way, despite their utter lack of importance when compared to Germany.

    • global city

      We are ‘affected’ by US regulation when we wish to trade with them, as we are to China’s, japan’s or Brazil’s. Exports to the EU is about 8% of total economic activity, and most of that 8% involves trade with Ireland.

  • James

    The problem we have is that politicians nowadays cling onto power refusing to accept they are unwanted or wrong and the electorate is erm, right? Expect a nasty election battle as we continue to become more American.

  • justejudexultionis

    Anything that undermines the present system of rotten and pocket boroughs is to be applauded.

  • Austin Barry

    UKIP’s advantage is that is not the Establishment: the corrupt chumocracy which accretes power to itself – a game of mutual masturbation by the public school, Oxbridge, PPE, never-had-a-proper job, self-regarding clique exemplified by Cameron, Miliband, Harmen, Clegg etc. etc.

    These people are our enemies.

    UKIP knows this one big thing and will continue to prosper.


  • Md.Sultan Mahmud

    Very well stated and thank you.


  • Hexhamgeezer

    I’m looking forward to the next few months where the media party and the Management are proven wrong again with their next big idea, namely that more scrutiny will squash the UKIP hedgehog.

    Obviously I don’t represent the nation’s voters but I am not alone in thinking this; it matters not whether every single UKIP candidate is found to be a wife beater, husband abuser, fraudster, alcoholic, ex-jailbird or social worker. I will still be voting for them as the smell from them is still far more fragrant than that of the LibLabCon trick.

    UKIP offer a huge part of the electorate stuff they want. I don’t care if they don’t have positions yet on everything – it doesn’t matter. UKIP offer an end to the Management’s detoxification and neutralising of the electorate.

    Roll on the Euros in 2014. Onward and upward.

  • Dogsnob

    Very well stated and thank you.

  • nationalexistance

    An interesting photograph [above] illustrating ukip’s use of the English flag of St George instead of the union flag.Speaks volumes.

    • MichtyMe

      Is Britishness more than Englishness and if so, how and why….discuss?

      • Wessex Man

        Britishness doesn’t exist, being a subject of the United Kingdom does, as an amalgamated Union we have existed for three hundred years in which established the biggest Empire in memory and made the “ruling classes” as dear Ken Clarke calls them very rich!

        Theres no need in this day and age for this Union any more than there is for the European Union. I look forward to Scotland achieving it’s independence in 2014 and England shortly thereafter.

      • Eddie

        Well, 90%+ of British people are English, and many qualities of Britishness come from English values (compare the religious bigotry in Scotland and NI to England’s tolerance, for example). Scotland was lucky in being able tp piggyback on the industrial revolution and the empire – if its location had been different it would be more like Albania now.

    • Eddie

      Nope – maybe it is because the photo was taken on the campaign trail in England.
      If you want to meet bigots and racists, go to Scotland or Wales and meet the nationalists.

      • nationalexistance

        So much for this “united” kingdom.

        • Eddie

          Are you an idiot? In Scotland all parties fly the Scottish flag; in Wales all parties fly the Welsh flag with the union jack (in fact it is illegal only to fly the union flag without the Welsh one). So parties use the English plag in England – which has largely been a reassertion of Englishness in response to Scottish English hating since the early 90s.
          Therefore, UKIP does not have to use the Union Flag anywhere and is doing nothing wrong at all in using the English flag in England.

  • Iain Hill

    Please say this loud and clear, every day and in every journal you can. The commentariat is so lazy and anxious to reheat every wornout piece about Ukip’s lack of policies blah blah, that it misses this essential truth. Nothing in the world would persuade me to vote for any of the 3 identikit parties again. Never.

    Incidentally, the old saw about elections being to elect a government is old hat, and serves only the interests of those seeking the key to no 10.

  • Abhay

    I just finished reading Douglas’s article in WSJ – what a brilliant piece of analysis of the UKIP phenomenon. Probably, the best I have read so far.

    I do hope Nigel Farage persists in the simplicity and cohesiveness of his message and continues to expose the sly, wicked ways of the EU. Nations are organic entities and cannot be treated by cynical bureaucrats like contraptions in social experiments!

    As time progresses and we get closer to 2015, UKIP will be probed deeper on other strands of its policies. It is inevitable. I think they will need 2 things for sure:
    1. An intelligent and visible 2nd line of leadership standing behind Mr.Farage, and
    2. Something akin to a think-tank that would flesh out his detailed policies, crunch the numbers and prepare rebuttals of competing policies.

    • MichtyMe

      Yes, nations are organic entities, but the UK is an artificial construct, a system of governance, inimical to the nation.

      • Abhay

        Its far less an artificial construct than EU. There is a certain historicity to how the kingdom came about. It was not cobbled together by a bunch of people who believed that we will deliver Utopianism through it. The EU at its core is a Utopian experiment which is why it is dangerous.

      • Dogsnob

        It’s really not that complex a notion: all nation states are artificial constructs. The healthy ones are those whose citizens are complicit with that artifice.

        Which nations have you in mind when you speak of them as ‘organic entities’?

  • Denzil Blair

    It’s great to see UKIP shake things up. For far too long the opinions of the majority have been ignored. UKIP may not have all the answers but at least they are asking the right questions.

    • greggf

      And may such questions bring enlightenment to the politics Denzil;

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