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Cameron closes in on EU Budget success

8 February 2013

The news coming back from Brussels is all pretty good for David Cameron, as Isabel noted this morning. He’s not isolated and looks set to succeed in his fight to see a cut in the overall EU Budget. Admittedly, the British contribution will still go up—a result of deals Tony Blair struck at the time of enlargement. But it is still a good result, and one that will please all but the most truculent members of his parliamentary party.

Even better for Cameron, is the idea that the European Parliament might veto the deal in a secret vote. Now, this idea is so absurd that it is hard to believe that it is anything other than a Brussels rumour. But if it does happen, it will sum up the kind of spendthrift, opaque, unaccountable Europe that Cameron is opposed to.

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  • Deputy Dawg

    How is it a good result for Britain to end up paying more? What crazy sort of definition of a successful negotiation is this?

    You Spectator staff are really up the fundaments of Cameron if you are willing to make such absurd claims that a bigger bill is better for Britain!

  • Smithersjones2013

    There seems something rather perverse in the idea of Cameron claiming victory when the likely outcome is the UK will pay more. Great if you are a fan of the EU but not so the UK. After all it suggests that we can go bankrupt to facilitate a cut in other countries spending which seems to be a running theme of this government (International Aid, Euro bailouts etc etc). It all sounds rather more horsemeat than beef when Cameron needs to be serving up a fillet steak.

    If I were to make a political comparison. Munich 38 comes to mind. Ironic that this September just before the Tory conference will be the 75th Anniversary of that historic date.

  • the viceroy’s gin

    So an increase is a “cut” ?

    You Speccie teenagers are a piece of work, I tells ya’.

    Just out of curiosity, is there anything that you sycophants can’t spin into Cameroonian glory? Have any of you kids considered working up something on Richard’s twisted old bones, recently found? It might be helpful to your bubble friends, you know.

    You’ll never know unless you try.

    • Fergus Pickering

      Are you an old person besides being an American person? Perhaps a very old person..

      • the viceroy’s gin

        …are the voices speaking to you, too?

      • Chris lancashire

        I think I mentioned before Fergus, it’s a waste of time and effort.

      • the viceroy’s gin

        Yes, so ignore the voices, lad.

    • lee taylor

      If you’re meant to be older and wiser you should know the different between gross and net.
      Gross wise it’s being cut. Net wise yes it goes up but as i’ve said repeatedly thats thanks to Tony Blair’s rebate stitch up so for goodness sake please blame the right person.

      • the viceroy’s gin

        No, that’s false.

        Blair merely provided a useful mechanism for his clone Dave, to facilitate what they both wanted and want… a metastasizing EU.

        You get a cut by executing a cut.

        You get an increase when you execute an increase. Dave is executing an increase. It matters naught how it’s executed. It only matters that it is.

        And Dave needs to thank his clone for providing this useful mechanism. It’s what he wants, which is the same thing Blair wants.

        Oh, and Dave should also give many thanks for the useful sycophants celebrating these “cuts”.

        • Deputy Dawg

          It is reasonable to ask what some Spectator writers hope to gain from their manifest and consistent support for the Cameron project even to the extent of making themselves look stupid.

  • lee taylor

    It appears as usual people have no understanding of how the EU funding actually works.
    We are NOT paying more into the EU as a result of this deal we are thanks to Tony Blair’s rebate give away get less back as the EU expands.
    In other words we pay less in gross but get less back therefore we pay more net.

    • Fergus Pickering

      In other words Blair gave it away. Blair gave it away. Blair gave it away.

      • lee taylor

        In a word …YES

        • HooksLaw

          In 3 words – Never Vote Labour.

          And in 5 words Vote UKIP Gives You Labour. (or 4 and an acronym)

          • Deputy Dawg

            Vote Conservative gives you socialism, Vote Lib Dem gives you socialism. Vote Labour gives you socialism. So all you have to offer is socialism.

            Vote UKIP starts to change the game, even if the result of the next match is always going to be socialism of one sort or another.

  • RichieP

    Yeah, right, I exhort anyone reading this sycophantic fantasy to look at Guido’s picture on this topic today – “Reform in our time”. Much more to the point.

  • an ex-tory voter

    I fail to see why an increase in EU contributions from a bankrupt nation, whose government is presiding over an ever increasing burden of debt, is in any sense “a victory”.
    This lunacy really cannot continue very much longer!!

    • HooksLaw

      Thats because you are an idiot.

      • Cutla

        Your attitude completely destroys any chance you had of people taking what you say seriously. Try skipping obligatory insult you include in each of your posts.

  • LB

    Admittedly, the British contribution will still go up—a result of deals Tony Blair struck at the time of enlargement.


    More reason to vote UKIP

    • lee taylor

      Whose leader admitted on the Daily Politics that the PM got the best deal he could under the circumstances.

      • HooksLaw

        And voting UKIP would just see the return of a Europhile labour party. And they wonder why i call them nutjobs.

        • lee taylor

          As the americans might say I’d rather be a nut with a job than an idiot with no nuts and no job.

  • James Strong

    The very idea of a secret vote in the European Parliament, even if it doesn’t come about, should worry and, indeed frighten, everybody.

    How can the electorate hold representatives to account if they can’t know how they voted?

    But it’s only worrying and frightening, and here I’m going to quote the noted Blogger, Tom Paine, ‘if you look at it from the point of EU citizens…’
    Let’s get OUT of the EU.

    • telemachus

      A secret vote!
      Farage revels in intrigue.
      We will probably find he will vote for an increase
      Anything to screw his mother country
      In truth the European project is just a journalists gravy train

  • Chris lancashire

    Some of the anti-EU ultras on hear are really wearisome. Cameron has done a pretty good job (yet to be confirmed) in going to Brussels in December and halting the bandwagon and returning now to succeed in actually reversing it. It is, actually, a major change in Brussels and for his hard work and steadiness in the face of virulent criticism from left, right and south (sorry about the mixed directions) he deserves some credit.

    • Russell

      I will still be voting in every election until wa get an in/out EU referendum, but agree Cameron does deserve some credit. What a pity Cameron put forward a proposal for an EU referendum now, in this parliament, then if Labour and LibDems voted it down, Cameron would be believed about a future referendum and actually win the election in 2015.

      • HooksLaw

        The coming referendum will be on the back of a new EU treaty which will call for closer fiscal union. We will have to negotiate a different relationship with the EU based on that.
        Of course being ‘out’ of the EU will not be much different to being ‘in’ the EU anyway. (see Norway and Switzerland) – but we will have to make changes following a Eurozone fiscal union (unless we end up with labour of course)

        • Russell

          The point is that unless Cameron & the tories win the general election in 2015, there won’t be referendum.

          Miliband has said he doesn’t want one and Clegg certainly doesn’t.
          By forcing a vote now during this parliament to make it law that a referendum is held after the election in the next parliament, this will force labour and LibDems to either support it or vote it down. If they support it , great, a referendum will be assured, if they don’t the electorate can see the only way to get a referendum will be to not vote Labour or LibDem.

          • James Strong

            I fully agee with your analysis that forcing a vote in this parliament for a referendum is the way to go.
            So why won’t Cameron do that?
            Some might say that he doesn’t really want a refrendum, that he will manoeuvre to avoid the voters having their say, even to the extent of damaging the chances of the Conservative Party in the next general election.
            Some might say that, but I couldn’t possibly comment.

    • Colonel Mustard

      I concur whilst remaining suspicious of his long term tenacity. His track record for consistency is not good (partly because his “message” is so poorly managed) and that must be a factor in assessing this “victory”.

  • Basil

    ‘Admittedly, the British contribution will still go up’ – well yes, there is that, but otherwise a triumph.

  • Vulture

    Please don’t take all of us for fools, James, even if you choose to play along with the PR man’s PR men.

    1) This is not a ‘cut’ for Britain – our contributions will be going up> ie. we will be paying more to the EU than before, whatever its final total Budget may be.

    2) Dave is not ‘opposed to a spendthrift, opaque unaccountable Europe’ as you claim – he has repeatedly said that he wants us to remain in the EU which is indeed ‘spendthrift, opacque and unaccountable’ – and a lot worse besides.

    I really don’t think many people will swallow this pantomime in Brussels even if you do.

    • lee taylor

      Point one is factually incorrect as we are in fact going to get a gross reduction payments but as I explain in my previous comment thanks to Tony Blair’s rebate deal we also get less back as the EU gets larger resulting in a net increase.

      • Vulture

        So, just as I said, we will end up paying more!

        • Nicholas chuzzlewit

          Yes but at least blame the right person. This is yet another example of Tony Blair’s poison legacy. Agreeing a cut in our budget rebate in exchange for……….nothing.

        • lee taylor

          ‘paying more’ implies we’re giving more money which we aren’t we’re just not getting as much back thanks to Tony Blair’s rebate stitch up so as Nicholas says blame the right person.

          • an ex-tory voter

            If our “net” contribution is increasing we are “paying more” simples!!!

        • realfish

          But not as much as if Cameron had failed

      • HooksLaw

        You see – its a waste of breath. Blind and bigoted – they are not interested in reality.

        • Smithersjones2013

          With people like you on the other side is it any surprise no one listens to your lot anymore. You are the poster boy for UKIP after all and like that famous comic character ‘Frank Spencer’.

          ‘Everyday in every way you just get better and better’

          Some Mothers Do Ave ‘Em,!

          • Deputy Dawg

            Ex-Tory Voter is talking sense. If the EU costs us more then we are paying more.

        • an ex-tory voter

          I may be blind and I may be bigoted (at least in your eyes) but I can at least count!!. If it looks like a duck

  • Archimedes

    Great. Maybe they can stop talking about solee-darry-tay now, and start talk about sen-say-billy-tay.

    • foxoles

      Or, in Glenys Kinnock’s case, sovva-renna-tee (and why it isn’t important).

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