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Imposing a minimum price for alcohol will leave Cameron with a political hangover

17 November 2012

On Monday, the government is set to announce its alcohol strategy. It is expected that this will call for a minimum unit price of 40p. As Graham Wilson reports in The Sun, this idea is a personal favourite of the Prime Minister but opposed by several influential members of the Cabinet.

These ministers worry that it’ll be seen as the rich man taking away the poor man’s pleasure. Given the media reaction to the pasty tax and the caravan tax, this is a legitimate concern. They also fear that a successful legal challenge to it, which is a distinct possibility, would do further damage to the government’s reputation for competence.

Cameron himself is attracted to the idea because he thinks it’ll help cut down on binge drinking and by stopping supermarkets from doing cheap offers will help pubs compete. But the problem is it is a blunt instrument. It’ll hit responsible drinkers as hard as irresponsible ones.

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  • William Blakes Ghost

    Well one things for sure Dave and his toff mates won’t have to pay more to quaff the Dom Perignon because of it now will they?. Dozey Dave punishes the poor to put profits in the hands of big business. Nice one Dave that should see the Tory poll ratings plummet into the mid 20’s and just before Christmas too. Has there ever been a more poltically inept, socially deluded party leader? I can’t believe I’m typing this after having suffered the Brown years but Cameron’s probably worse in some ways!

  • Daniel Tekel Thomas

    There already plenty of rules in place to deal with binge drinking and drunks. One of which is a night in the slammer.

  • Jason Mulrone

    Champagne and cognac already cost many times more than the proposed minimum, so why would the cabinet care at all?

  • Daveyyy12

    He wants to go down in flames like some heroic RAF spitfire pilot..

    Many on the left will support this sort of stuff the left will also use it to further their class hatred. It shows you he does not understand the left or his voters.

    Leave it..
    Get the tax thresholds up and start giving working people some hope.
    Make petrol companies display the wholesale price as it seems they are slow to drop the price. Stop increasing taxes on petrol. This is popular.
    Star cutting the things that matter to the Islington elite, they will never like you or vote for Do something about Wonga and co.. This will be popular. Wrap them up in red tape.

    Stop the green energy scam.

  • jose

    it is time people took responsability for their actions, if you are drunk and get arrested it should cost you dearly, if you are drunk and go to the hospital it should cost you a pretty penny out of benefits……i am sick of this country BS

    • eeore

      And what should happen if you are drunk and not arrested or on benefits?

  • dalai guevara

    Sorry, I don’t get it – can someone please point me to the shop where I can buy a bottle of beer for 53p? Spain yes, but in Britain?

    • eeore

      The common trope they roll out is that alcohol is cheaper than bottled water, which is more an argument for being ripped off by the cost of water than the price of alcohol.

      You are not meant to argue, just go along with it and accept that doctors know best – and ignore that doctors have the shortest life expectancy of all the professions.

  • HellforLeather

    Cameron ought, if he is serious about this sort of thing, to ensure he starts by scrapping subsidised drink (and food) in Parliament. It will be MPs who feel the heat if he doesn’t.

    Some people make a big deal of the fact Cameron was in PR before politics, and suggest he therefore ought to have a better feel for the public mood.

    Yet he did indulge in the laughable Hug-a-Husky/Hug-a-Hoodie stunts, and green-cycling (as limo followed with paperwork/fresh clothing) etc.

    One can only assume that given his track record so far, he failed dismally in the PR world and lapsed into politics as a result. Where his record has proved equally dismal.

  • TomTom

    Hope Bulgaria succeeds with its lawsuit at the ECJ against Scotland. This policy is Protectionist in a country with some of the highest wine duties already. Beer in supermarkets is already prohibitively priced. Time to make the House of Commons pay market rates for alcohol

  • Colonel Mustard

    Reading these comments it is apparent that a majority think this proposal sucks. One or two support it. A meme for Britain where the wishes of a banning/regulating/censoring minority of meddling, nanny-minded busy bodies prevail over the wishes of the majority.


  • Hexhamgeezer

    Does cameron plan on having any incentives to vote Tory in the next election?

  • sir_graphus

    It’s already illegal to serve alcohol to someone who is drunk. Enforce that law.

    • Noa

      But where’s the kudos, and tax take, in that, Sir Graphus?
      “One law bad, two laws good” as the commissar said,

    • eeore

      Oh come on, most police join up to be paid for a fight outside the pub. It will lower morale if the officer in charge bothers to do their job.

  • Open_Palm

    “It’ll hit responsible drinkers as hard as irresponsible ones.”

    If one is a truly responsible drinker, then one should see that helping to cut down on binge drinking and all the negative consequences of irresponsible drinking is part of being responsible, too, is it not?

    • eeore

      It is if you live in a world of existential guilt.


    I’m guessing from the piece above that the cause isn’t alcohol, so perhaps James, with his enviable, exclusive insider contacts with No.10, can tell us exactly what has turned Dave’s brain from its former consistency of a kind of watery jelly into its present frothing pigshite?

    Let me save him the cost of all that Common Purpose training and analyses.

    If you spend a fortune during 15 years of full-time education in teaching children eff-all, then to compensate for their inevitable lack of aspiration, empirical knowledge, and inability to behave in any socially decent way, we pay them so much that we have the most expensive poverty in the world, and that neither personal ambition, nor personal necessity exist to induce them to get out of bed in the morning, then of course there’s little else to do except get slaughtered. And can we blame the poor suckers?

    They are the debris of the vilest, most manipulative, hypocritical ideology to walk the Earth, peddled by vacuous, no less dangerous for that, idiots like Cameron who, oozing with a nauseous whiff of self-entitlement, think they know better than us how our lives should be led, and who despite the evidence lying in gutters and slums, the only perverse gifts of socialism to the “vulnerable”, still can’t see that socialism, compassionate conservatism, progressiveness and human rights are actually all WRONG!

    Now back to watching the gorgeous Cate Blanchett on the BBC iPlayer (no licence payer me) playing Veronica Guerin, A woman with more decency, conviction and balls than Cameron and all the other lickspittles in Westminster could ever hope for.

    • Noa

      “what has turned Dave’s brain from its former consistency of a kind of watery jelly into its present frothing pigshite?”

      Thank you for that Sir, I had to savour its sheer inner poetry and truth once more by repetition. Quite made my evening, that and Mrs Lund.

      Brilliant analysis too.

      • IRISHBOY

        It’s all blarney, but thanks anyway!

    • Redneck


      What is this “Common Purpose”?

      • IRISHBOY

        Try Google!

    • eeore

      A double bed and a stalwart lover
      for sure
      these are the riches of the poor

      Ok I’m gay/ a leftie/ or whatever, but I remember wondering why as a small town boy I couldn’t go to an opera, or a poetry reading, or history discussion group when my mates suggested we went up the club on a friday night.

      Fuck that John we’ve got to get on with these
      gotta compete with the wiley Japanese

      But even that is hypocrisy, given that he brought up. took on, a child who thought the epitome of liberty was getting stoned and insulting the war dead. Meh… fuck the doctors advice, just lower the price and do want the man wants….

      • IRISHBOY

        Nothing much to do with the subject under discussion here, but a few years ago I saw about 1500 teenagers in Londonderry laughing and crying their way through a performance of an opera, then screaming with delight at the orchestra and singers at the end. And it wasn’t even a big Puccini potboiler, no it was Monteverdi’s last opera The Coronation of Poppea.
        And it was a joy to see the warped wisdom of the educational know-alls trounced so totally.

        • eeore

          It is to do with the discussion, as the reason for the drinking culture is there is no other culture.

          Don’t get me wrong… I am not suggesting the ‘educational know-alls’ as they are as much the problem as drink – and costs society more – which feeds into your Common Purpose reference.

          If I have a solution – which I don’t (after a bottle of claret)- I am suggesting that the current trend of criminalising and punishing people is self defeating, especially when connected with the culture of databases and stigmatisation. Hence my ironical use of Morrisey’s cynical lyric.

  • Thick as two Plancks

    The reasons for drinking are many
    And one has just entered my head;
    It will make the time seem so much shorter
    Before Cameron’s government is dead.

    • Colonel Mustard


  • Ron Todd

    I will drink the same and have less money to spend on other things. I drink mostly at weekends to try and forget that Monday morning is approaching.

    I think that a large part of how alcohol affects people is down to their own expectation of how it will affect them. So far I am all too aware that start of work Monday morning is 47 1/2 hours away.

    • First L

      Might I suggest that if you hate work that much, your weekend might be better spent trying to improve your life and job prospects rather than expecting alcohol to solve your problems.

      • eeore

        That is just stoopid. You know nothing about their circumstance.

        • First L

          Nope, I just know what they wrote in their comment. And that was what I replied to.

      • Ron Todd

        Never said I expect alcohol to solve anything.

  • itdoesntaddup

    Just get the magistrate to fine the drunk and disorderly £25 a pop. That’s how we used to do it. Tax applied where it belongs.

    • ButcombeMan

      There is some truth in that, though 25 pounds is not enough-given inflation.

      It used to be the case that drunks were picked up locked up overnight and were first on in the Mags Court the next day. One gets the impression that arrests and custody are avoided now, if they can be.

      The evidential process in those far off days was astonishingly simple. The processing relatively quick and cheap.

      The accused appeared without a brief. The prosecution was done by the court Police Officer.. It was over in seconds.

      “His eyes were glazed, his speech was slurred, his breath smelt strongly of alcohol, he was drunk Madam”

      “Anything to say”


      “Guilty-fined 15 pounds”.

      “Toim to pay maam” (The defendant-with sudden clarity)

      “Officer-search that man”

      “20 pounds maam” (The Officer)

      “Fined 20 pounds -take him away”


      One can imagine it (the process) now. The forms. the forms. The lawyers (on both sides)

  • MichtyMe

    Do the maths. The only products that min pricing will hit, are industrial concoctions like strong 7.5% White Lighting “cider”, on sale for less then £1/litre. Who wants to see this stuff on the shelves, except those like having adolescents poison themselves.

    • Noa

      Unit pricing is a control mechanism that will subsequently be varied to suit revenue and social requirements. Its primary effect will be to encourage the production of illegally distilled alcohol and augment the tax take.
      In the meantime the proliferation of shiskha bars makes a mockery of the draconian anti-smoking laws. Both trends are a clear demonstration of there being one law for the indigenous tax paying population and another for the waves of Neatherlanders from the Indian sub continent and Eastern Europe.

      • MichtyMe

        Of course it is a control mechanism, alcohol has always been controlled. Do you want to have wraps of smack on the shelves along side it?

        • Noa

          You miss my point, further unit pricing will not control binge drinking.

          Regrettably your comment, presumably meant to be sarcastic, on the parallel licensed sale of currently Class a controlled drugs in public places, is more likely than not if pro-drugs legalisation campaigners have their way.

  • Troika21

    Supermarkets are quite happy for a minimum price to be brought in, as it will effect pubs too (and alcohol in pubs is still likely to be priced above any given minimum), whilst there are still a lot of methods open to supermarkets to keep alcohol cheap.

  • grandpa1940

    Its all gonna look like the Nanny State gone berserk. This latest idea, which comes straight out of the No. 10 Nudge Unit (Behavioural response, for the uneducated), is going to put everyone’s backs up without even trying.

    The last time I checked, the idea of a Government was to ensure that we can all live our lives in safety, and then stay the hell out of our lives. But be it Labour, Tory or the infants masquerading as politicians under the Lib-Dem flag, they are all the same; with their interminable need to interfere in the minutiae of everyone’s lives.

    I suppose that this need comes from the truths which are that they have handed over most of Government functions over to Brussels, and as they need to be seen to be both relevant and busy, here comes the extra taxes on booze.

    They are all the same, Red, Blue, Yellowy-Green; but if a few calls from say, UKIP, commence echoing around telling the plebs that their beer and scotch and cigarrettes are costing more whatever Party you vote for other than Nigel’s bunch, the polls will soon commence a swing which will dwarf the 1997 swings, and clear these ‘Eton toffs’ back whence they came form.

  • Richard

    It is none of the Government’s damn business! This is the sort of nonsense we thought we had got rid of with NuLabour and Blair! If the Government is concerned about the costs of binge drinking, then have a hypothecated tax on alcopops and the like, not a senseless minimum price!

  • Thomas Paine

    Blair’s Nanny State lives on.

    Whatever happened to the Tory Party?

  • Bluesman

    “Cameron himself is attracted to the idea because he thinks it’ll help cut down on binge drinking”

    Seriously – what a maroon. CCHQ – Chordatically Challanged Herd Quarters.

  • Archimedes

    “It’ll hit responsible drinkers as hard as irresponsible ones.”

    Yes – and then, of course, there’s the fact that it isn’t the government’s business to decide whether or not someone is drinking responsibly – but we won’t get bogged down in that minor detail: anti-social behaviour and an NHS bill to stop, and all that. Liberty? Ha – that’s so last year, duh – in this day and age…

    • telemachus

      The NHS experience is instructive
      Has anyone had the misfortune tongomto Casualty on a Saturday night as I did recently whe I broke mi collar bone
      I was treated by a fraught doctor who had just been thumped by a drunk
      The doctor Told me a quarter of the punters there were there because of booze
      I’m with Cameron and sod the perceptions of the chattering media

      • Curmudgeon

        Yes, and the vast majority of people in casualty on Saturday night will have been drinking in pubs and clubs and paying well over 50p a unit. While the poor old pensioner will be forced to pay more for his nightcap of cheap ASDA whisky,

        • telemachus

          No these louts pick up cheap boxes of 15 at Tesco and get thru a box each
          The first step is to charge a prohibitive amount to deter these miscreants
          Then to effectively police the streets to lock those up for the night who drink in the streets
          Remember a few of these also go on under the influence to rape and pillage

          • Noa

            And there I was thinking you simply wanted to introduce an alcohol free Islamic state, when what you really want is a Beria type police state!
            Labour’s loosening of the licensing laws, together with the prohibition of smoking in public houses, has been effective in destroying the social cohesion of the British working and middle class.
            You common purpose types will eventually start to understand that it is not the job of politicians to tell people what they can and can’t do through social engineering.

            • telemachus

              The loosening of the licensing laws were the hateful Blair before the dream team of principle and moral compass took over

              • Noa

                principles? Expenses, expenses expenses…

            • First L

              Social Cohesion of the working class formed through smoking and drinking? What utter rot. It was formed through living and working together. It was lost in the bonfire of terraced housing and the ending of industrialisation.

              What you are bemoaning is the loss of your financial ability to drink five pints of Lager on an evening instead of two or three and being forced to step into the cold to smoke your cigarette so that you don’t give other people lung cancer. Attempting to ascribe social importance to that is simply an attempt to justify your own bad habits. The fact that cutting a couple of pints out of your diet an evening, and cutting your fags down so you don’t have to stand in the cold, will leave you a damn sight healthier and probably put 2 to 3 years back on your life, probably hasn’t registered on your radar. Unless of course you are happy to drink and smoke yourself to death, in which case, why drag it out over decades. Down 50 pints tonight and have done with it. Find out what alcohol really does to you.

              • Noa

                “Social Cohesion of the working class formed through smoking and drinking? What utter rot.”

                Which is not what I wrote. So have the courtesy not to misrepresent my point, which was that the massive closure of public houses through various government measures, but particularly smoking and punitive alcohol taxation have largely destroyed the main social forum for the British working and middle class.

                • First L

                  Fair does, although you weren’t especially clear that that was the point you were making.

                  On that point, I suggest that smoking and alcohol taxation have nothing to do with the closures of pubs. Pubs have been losing customers. That is not to do with money or with smoking. If they are that socially important then the community frequenting a pub will not just up and abandon it when it recognises that it requires their custom to stay open.

                  As such I would say that the social forum was not therefore that important to those communities if they could be tempted away by Weatherspoons and other chain pubs – leaving the independents to go bust.

                  Other reasons are of course – the rise of the internet as a relatively free social forum that crosses all class barriers. There’s no point bemoaning the death of pubs when, on a Saturday Night, you yourself are engaging in an online social forum, instead of down the pub, supporting it by spending money there, discussing the football with some random bloke. So no, if you see pubs as social forums, it is not smoking and alcohol taxation that has killed them. There are thousands of thriving chain pubs out there. It is the Internet – the Social Forum of the future that has done for that particular aspect of them.

                  The fact is that your average independent pub landlord is not exactly an entrepreneur. If the drink drops off – as it is wont to do in almost every pub at some point due to changing demographics, aging regulars etc, then they tend to go one of two ways – pub quiz or kareoke.

                  Now if they were savvy enough to install computer hot desking….

                • Noa

                  I watched the rugby in my crowded local club this afternoon, will that do you? Regretably the local I used to frequent closed, because of high beer duties and the loss of trade after Harman’s iniquitous general smoking ban.
                  These days my friends and I tend to meet periodically at each others homes for a drink and a chat. The opportunities for wider informal and direct ‘eye to eye’ contact and social intercourse are now more restricted. The new social media to which you may well become just as restricted and sterile if the current initiatives, including those predicted in the Leveson report together with other proposed media freedom of speech restrictions, are implemented.

                • ButcombeMan

                  The main cause of pub failure is the disappearance of the owner landlord, largely the result of pubcos and brewers overpaying/overvaluing, pub properties. This has often been done on borrowed money during the Brown boom. The pubcos are a large part of the zombie businesses in the UK.

                • telemachus

                  Life and social conventions move on
                  But the miseries of alcohol do not
                  The “dead drunk for tuppence” is still with us
                  It ruins lives families and health
                  Just talk to the mother reported in the Mail whose infant daughter was killed by a lout in a hot hatchback with174mg alcohol in his blood
                  Or the woman in a refuge black and blue from her drunken husband
                  Or the pregnant girl academic life ruined after a drunken encounter
                  Or the middle class wife with 3 children about to be destitute as her husband dies of liver disease
                  Or the young man thrown out of work because he again came in bleary yed and unsteady to work
                  This my friend is poison

                • Harold Angryperson

                  Half of the posts on this thread are from you.

                  Trolling at its worst.

                • telemachus

                  If you read my posts you will see they relate to concerns on an important topic and are in general supportive of the PM
                  I hope he reads this blog

                • Clive Holland

                  Shit happens

      • Archimedes

        I was under the impression we already had laws against that kind of thing, no? In vino veritas. Is there something in alcohol that makes a person aggressive, or is it just a form of escapism? If it’s the latter, then even an outright ban wouldn’t fix it – it would just make it more difficult to track.

        • telemachus

          The link between alcohol and aggression is well known. What’s not so clear is just why drunks get belligerent. What is it about the brain-on-alcohol that makes fighting seem like a good idea


          Scientists tested this idea on a group of young Kentucky men. Some of the men drank three to four screwdrivers before the experiment, while others stayed sober. Then they had them all compete against another person in a somewhat stressful game that required very quick responses. Every time they lost a round, they received
          a shock varying in intensity. Likewise, when they won a round they gave their opponent a shock. The idea was to see how alcohol affected the men’s belligerence, as measured by the kinds of shocks they chose to hand out.

          The drunks who had nothing to distract them were predictably mean, exhibiting aggression towards their adversaries.

          However, the Drunks whose attention was focused elsewhere were actually less aggressive.

          So if you meet an aggressive drunk distract him

          • Archimedes

            Sorry, it just isn’t that black and white as much as you might like it to be. Equally famous are the intolerable chaps that go around hugging everyone after a few drinks, or insisting that they deplete their life savings buying the rounds. The idea that alcohol affects everyone equally is a fallacy. This policy is nothing more than a state intervention to punish everyone for the sins of a few.

            • First L

              It is black and white. Alcohol makes some people violent. By no means everyone. But the sheer scale of binge drinking on Friday and Saturday nights means that violence is inevitable. Yes there are laws against being drunk and disorderly, but you simply can’t arrest 1,000 or more drunk and disorderly people a night in Manchester or Cardiff. This costs money in policing and the NHS. It causes massive problems in trying to deal with actual crime when three quarters of the local police force is just trying to keep order in a town centre on Friday night. It causes problems in Hospitals throughout the country when A and E’s are flooded by drunks who get into fights, by drunks who injure themselves. A train conductor has just been imprisoned for manslaughter because a girl who was too drunk to remain in control of herself leant on a train and fell onto the tracks to her death. Regardless of the Conductor’s actions, the girl’s death was her own fault caused by excessive drinking to the point she didn’t know where she was or what she was doing. The problem is societal and absolutely it needs to be dealt with on a national level. Alcohol is a drug and a dangerous one. It should not be sold cheaper than water.

              • IRISHBOY

                Agreed. But surely instead of penalising everyone who wants to drink, licences for pubs and clubs should be given with greater discrimination, as to regards hours etc.. Except of course that would take away the Governments policy of wanting micro-control over us. And when did increased taxes do anything except the obvious.

                • telemachus

                  There is a good case for Swedish type taxes on booze

              • Fergus Pickering

                Is alcohol cheaper than water? Where is that, then? Lead me to the place. Of course what you mean is that water IN PLASTIC BOTTLES is retailed to fools like you at a ridiculous price. Heard of the tap, dearie?

                • First L

                  Tap Water is not free.

                  And I never buy bottled water. Why are you assuming things about me? I agree, bottled water is ridiculous. But that doesn’t change the fact that it does exist, people do buy it, and in the supermarket it can set you back more than a quid a pint, while pints of cheap booze are as little as 50p or less.

                  Why are you shooting the messenger when anyone can independently verify this at their local store. Just because you don’t like the bottled water industry doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Alcohol is cheaper than water.

              • Nick Wilson

                The increase in the police numbers was largely to combat Anti Social Behaviour so to suggest that if there wasn’t any ASB the police dealing with it would be concentrating on “real crime” is wrong – a large number of them wouldn’t be in the police force in the first place. If your hypothesis were correct, crime cleanup rates in rural areas where this is substantially less ASB would be much higher than in rural ones since the police would be concentrating a higher percentage of effort on “real crime”. This is not the case. I think you may find that the majority of officers dealing with drunks on a Friday night in your local High Street are no aspiring Hercule Poirots

            • telemachus

              Either way we need to take steps to curtail this dangerous drug
              It causes more grief than smack or coke

              • Noa

                curtail? Completely? Because you don’t like it?

              • Fergus Pickering

                It doesn’t cause ME any grief at all. It is a blessing. If Labour promises to take the tax off again, I shall vote for the pinko bastards.

                • telemachus

                  This is music
                  We must remove taxes immediately

        • TomTom

          This is the Soviet Union – getting drunk makes life in this place tolerable for many people

      • Colonel Mustard

        Pity it wasn’t your neck.

      • TomTom

        Let’s ban drugs so casualty is not full of drug-fuelled drinking

      • jose

        call the police charge him £5000 out of benefits or lock him up and make him pay the cost of jailing him.
        they dont have this problem in south arabia or singapore
        people are free to chose and face their choices.
        this isnt the CCCP comrade

        • telemachus

          These people cannot help themselves
          Alcohol is an addictive drug and we have a corporate social responsibility to the vulnerable

        • Nick Wilson

          I lived in Singapore for 2 years right in the middle of the main areas where young people socialise. People there get just as drunk as they do here, but there is no problem with people becoming drunkenly aggressive. In 2 years I only witnessed 2 occasions where people did – the first guy was a seaman and was leapt upon by MPs, the 2nd was a local who was unceremoniously jumped on by plain clothes police. He lost his job as a result of his behaviour. It’s amazing how well people behave even after a good skinful if they know they CANNOT get away with anything

    • Dimoto

      The media have been telling us for months that the youth are turning away from binge-drinking and drugs (and even contemplating marriage !)
      You might think that this is aimed at the elderly poor/middle class (i.e. Tory target electorates) Doh !

  • @PhilKean1

    What a farce.

    Internet censorship, alcohol minimum pricing, internet, email & phone monitoring, and now banning young drivers carrying non-family passengers.

    And Cameron said he was against the nanny-state?


    • Colonel Mustard

      Absolutely. The man is the archetypal nanny. And remember he promised to “sweep it all away”!

      • telemachus

        Forget the nanny state
        From today it is the Aussie Crosby state
        Desperate measures
        It will do no good
        We are moving into the age of Balls

      • Dimoto

        It’s a shame, I was really looking forward to all those Scots having to come south to buy their dram. That would have cooked Salmond’s goose.

        But Cameron can always be relied upon to come up with some idiotic, unpopular, and irrelevant nonsense, when we are in a hiatus between policy calamities.

        I guess we can thank Letwin for this ?

  • HooksLaw

    Is that how Salmond’s proposal is seen in Scotland? supposedly the rich Tories are hated in Scotland but its OK for them to have a minimum price.
    Thinking this way you meet yourself coming back.

    • Archimedes

      Given that just the other day you were extolling the virtue of keeping the government out of our bedrooms, I would have thought that you would be equally disposed to keeping the government out of our drinks cabinets.

      • First L

        If you are wealthy enough to have a Drinks Cabinet, then you can afford to pay a little more to fill it.

  • Noa

    A peripheral issue from the political pygmies of the Notting Hill tribe, still if takes the electorates’ primary concerns; the unmanageable Debt, EU supremacy, contined mass immigration, the scandals of foreign aid and institiutionalised political corruption….

    • telemachus

      So which electoral grouping will deliver your crazy right wing agenda
      Marine is French

  • wrinkledweasel

    With your average chav committed to spending £50 a week out of their benefits on fags, this is going to be a hard one to absorb. Have a heart – the kids will have to make do with a few less chicken nuggets.

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