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Election night: It’s all over bar the counting

15 November 2012

Tonight is election night but there’s not much counting going on. The Corby by-election count doesn’t start until tomorrow morning and Wiltshire is the only place where the Police and Crime Commissioner votes are being tallied up over night. But we should get results in the next few hours in Manchester Central and Cardiff South, two safe Labour seats where the MP is standing down to run as a Police and Crime Commissioner.

Most of the media attention will focus on Corby. It is, indeed, a bellwether seat. But it is worth remembering that this is mid-term and a Tory defeat here would not tell us that much, especially given the circumstances of the by-election—constituencies don’t take kindly to MPs standing down half-way through their term.

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The other big issue will be turnout in the PCC elections. The reports during the day have suggested turnout in the teens. But postal voting could push that up to a more respectable total.

We’ll be back with full analysis of the night’s events in the morning. But do discuss tunrout and the results here.

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  • Cassandra1963

    Is this the democracy that our ancestors fought and died for? Was the electorate given the chance to say if they wanted police kommissars? No, it was presented to us as a done deal. In this fake democracy we are offered votes we dont want and are deliberately denied votes we do want. We are not offered a vote on whether we support Gay marriage or an IN/OUT EU referendum or if we want to be subject to the foreign and alien ECHR that protects the likes of Qatada and has made so many human rights lawyers rich or if we support handing out tens of billions in foreign aid where most ends up in the pockets of the rich? No, the electorate is denied the right to decide on the real issues we care about and are forced to vote in the issues that our ruling class care about, this isnt democracy its a perversion of democracy, its the theft of freedom and replaced by a grotesque charade presided over by a corrupt ruling class.

    • Cassandra1963

      And a further point, why was the electorate denied a multiple ballot to save money and encourage a higher turnout? If there had been an IN/OUT of the EU choice on the ballot it would have been a n]massively higher turnout.

  • Vulture

    ‘A Tory defeat here [Corby] would not tell us that much…’ Getting your excuses in early, eh James?
    Well, two things it would tell me are a) that the Coalition won’t win the next General Election and b) in parachuting airhead Mensch into the seat Dave made yet another of his woeful failures of judgement – and the voters have punished him for it.
    Horrendous though the prospect of another Labour government may be, it will be just about worth it if it rids us of Cameron, Osborne and their catastrophic clique.

  • eeore

    I voted and look forward to see what the new PCCs will do.

    It doesn’t surprise me that the media have been drumming up apathy given the corrupt links between the police and the media. And it also doesn’t surprise me that the sheep fell for the media campaign, aided by the police union, to cover their misdeeds.

    True the election slogans were predictable – cut red tape, more bobbies on the beat etc – but that is to be expected. But who knows in the future we might get candidates that go after doctors for performing illegal abortions, or corporations that put aspartame in everything, or politicians and media organisations promoting race war, or whatever.

    I realise the narrative we are fed is that we should leave everything to experts but the fact is in a free society the last people we should trust our liberties and the law to are the police and the police union. Hillsborough teaches us this, Harry Stanley teaches us this, and every documentary about the police that reveals just what unpleasant individuals the the police are teaches us this.

    • Colonel Mustard

      ” . . in the future we might get candidates that go after doctors for performing illegal abortions, or corporations that put aspartame in everything, or politicians and media organisations promoting race war, or whatever.”

      And that is supposed to inspire us is it? Politically directed police who will pursue yet more left-liberal hobby horses rather than maintain an impartial equilibrium of law and order for the majority as they go about their business in the public places.

      Acquaint yourself with the first parliamentary debates on the police in Britain. Everything the sceptics warned of is coming to pass. European secret police and the (scruffily) uniformed state is here. Get your papers ready.

      • eeore

        Left liberal hobby hobby horses? I suggest you are looking through the wrong end of the telescope.

        • Colonel Mustard

          No I’m not. The inversion in our politics is not mine. Do you really think conservatives get their knickers in a twist over illegal abortion doctors (as inevitable as prostitution and graft), aspartame or “media organisations promoting race war” – “whatever” the latter refers to.

          I understand that you are not asking anybody, but just telling everybody. And that we can look for the North Pole, or we can play ‘Here we go gathering Nuts in May’ with the end part of an ants’ nest. It’s all the same to me.

          • eeore

            You don’t think Conservatives care about the illegal abortions carried out by the NHS? Or the health effects of aspartame? Or the way calling everything racist/sexist/homophobic/or whatever in or to play one group against another and promote sectionalism?

            You really are disappeared up your own fundament.

            But regardless my point is that as this rolls out people could use the process to stop the police protecting criminality among the establishment and in doing so create a genuine libertarian society.

            btw, since I am not a slave I don;t have to ask anybody.

  • Rhoda Klapp

    Well, I did not vote. I didn’t think I could, knowing nothing about the candidates or the issues, the effect of the voting system or the relevance of a so-called local vote that takes in the entire Thames Valley area. I considered spoiling the ballot, but that might count towards the turnout, so I abstained. It was and is a travesty.

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    • Latimer Alder

      Soory Rhoda- I have to disagree on this one.

      I went to the websites for all the six candidates, read them and chose which two seemed to me to have the most relevant experience and the best proposals. I have pre-registered for a postal vote so I had hardly to leave my nice warm study

      It was not a lengthy or difficult process. I find it hard to understand why others would find it so. And as somebody said

      ‘Decisions are made by those who show up’

      Those who couldn’t be bothered to vote at all can’t really complain about whatever results they get.

      • Rhoda Klapp

        Latimer, I don’t think it’s enough. An election has to be more than a website prospectus. To me, there is an essential element of debate and of putting the thing in front of the electorate, not hiding it in the basement guarded by the obligatory leopard. It is not good enough. Especially when there is a dodgy voting system of a kind rejected by the electorate in a referendum not too long ago. It stinks and I want no part of it.

        • Colonel Mustard

          Ditto. How can you assess a candidate on boasts and promises without seeing them or hearing them speak? The very fact that the political parties, local government apparatchiks and quangocrats jumped on this bandwagon was a huge turn-off. Like we need more of those interfering in and determining police priorities. We have seen the gradual politicisation of police centrally from the Home Office and ACPO. This completes the process.

          Cassandra1963’s comment about the way our current “democracy” works is hugely relevant. These are not representatives of the people. They represent political parties and agendas who seek power to control us according to their views, not to represent us.

          • Rhoda Klapp

            I note that my side seems to have carried the day in some style.

  • John_Page

    Judging by the comments on Richard North’s eureferendum blog, the turnout has been abysmal.

    The statements of all the Hertfordshire candidates are lamentable. Labour’s just scores political points, the Tory rabbits on about what a good police authority chairman he’s been. The UKIP woman majors on her budget setting abilities and the Lib Dem says nothing at all. No independents, no policies. Nothing to interest anyone, move along.

    It’s looking like a good idea which the misgovernment has turned into a seriously damp squib. Well done, Nick Herbert!

  • Troika21

    Well, I didn’t vote for the new Witch-Finder Generals.

  • Malfleur

    While you are contemplating the PCC elections and what they signify for the state of the police force in this country, spare some time to consider the lamentable collusion among the police, the courts and the political class in the case of Mr. Tommy Robinson of the English Defence League, denied bail and imprisoned in solitary confinement in Wandsworth jail on charges that are less than ” transparent”.

    Your editor has of course already expressed his opinion on the EDL. The failure of the Spectator and the rest in England of what is now becoming known in the USA as “the corrupt media” to discuss the concerns of this grass-roots organisation or to report Mr. Robinson’s case and predicament, speaks volumes for the ethical rot that stinks up our society.

    Of course, to the liberal left mind of the Spectator, the politically put upon are never conservatives like Mr. Robinson but are always on the left. Let’s just hope that that rabid fascist, Kevin Carroll, doesn’t get elected the Police and Crime Commissioner Bedfordshire, right? Positions like that are meant to be reserved for eminences; such as Lord Prescott.

    • Noa

      Well said Malfleur.

      If fellow Coffee Housers share our concern about this disgraceful incarceration of the leader of a legitimate political party and the nascent creation of a political martyr, they can email Mrs May at to demonstrate them. the text of my own letter is below. No doubt concerned Coffee Housers will express their concerns in their own eloquent manner.

      To the Right Honourable Theresa May MP.
      Dear Mrs May.
      I have read, with the very greatest concern, of the present
      incarceration of Mr Tommy Robinson, the leader of the EDL, on charges for which bail has been refused.
      This is, so far as I am aware, the first imprisonment by the
      Coalition government of the leader of a legitimate political party.
      Whether or not one agrees with his political views is irrelevant. At a time
      when a notorious Jordan terrorist has been released into the community the
      arrest and detention without trial of a native Englishman and avowed patriot
      deserves the strongest public condemnation.
      Abu Quatada has of course obtained every assistance from the
      English taxpayer in his fight against his deportation. In contrast Mr Robinson
      has been refused any legal aid. Further comparison with the case of the
      MP, Margaret Moran will only serve to increase the public sense of ‘one law for
      them and another for us’.
      The charges upon which Mr Robinson is detained should be
      reviewed without any delay and he should be freed immediately pending any
      subsequent trial for which there is deemed to be evidence.
      To do less is the grossest offence to our national sense of
      right and justice and to further erode what remains of our democratic freedoms.

      Yours sincerely

      • IRISHBOY

        And I see that Fat Abu has been granted his request for a bigger house.
        How did perversion become such a virtue?

      • Malfleur

        There will be a demonstration held in support of Mr. Robinson outside the British Embassy in Paris on 24th November. Perhaps Mr. Forsyth would like to cover it for the Spectator on behalf of Mr. Nelson, who will no doubt already be engaged to observe and report to his readers about the demonstration outside Wandsworth Prison on that day where Mr. Robinson is being held in solitary confinement.

        • telemachus


          You are almost as comical as Tommy’s international publicist

          “Tommy’s arrest comes at a time that the BBC, that bastion of left-wing political power and propaganda in the UK is mired in its own paedophile cover up scandal.

          “British Freedom Chairman, Paul Weston, concerned about the former co-Vice Chairman of his Party enquired of him at the prison, where he was thought to be held. He too was arrested and taken into custody.

          “Those that rule the British state are now out of control. All pretence that the British are a free people is ending. How many dissidents will be rounded up on the flimsiest, trumped up charges in the newly emerging British police state?

          Read more:

          • Colonel Mustard

            Not as comical as you though, who desperately intercedes in every thread with Labour party propaganda of dubious relevance. Maybe when the national socialists are back in they’ll reward you with an OBE for services rendered – or an Iron Cross or something.

            • Noa

              Or the order of Lenin, third class or something…

              • telemachus

                That would indeed be an honour

    • telemachus

      Yall read Jake Wallis Simons in the Telegraph

      “The English Defence League is having a difficult time. Two weeks ago, a rally outside the town hall in Walthamstow, north-east London, was thrown into disarray. Supporters en route to the event were obstructed by demonstrators from groups such as Unite Against Fascism and We Are Waltham Forest, who staged a sit-down protest at a key junction between Hoe Street and Forest Road. The EDL contingent had to be redirected through the backstreets of Walthamstow, receiving abuse from local people and anti-fascist protesters as they passed.

      At the same time, another group of 400 anti-EDL activists broke through police lines and occupied the intended rally point. There they stumbled upon the EDL leader, Tommy Robinson, who had arrived early with a handful of supporters to set up the sound system. Tensions rose as police did their best to contain the situation. Forced to dismantle the equipment after a standoff, a visibly shaken Robinson was witnessed having a blazing row with his closest colleague, Kevin Carroll, who despite possessing a criminal record will be standing as a candidate in the Bedfordshire Police Commissioner elections later this year. Twenty English Defence League supporters were arrested; the rally was cancelled.”

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