Nigel Farage should sit tight

28 September 2012

Should UKIP do some sort of electoral deal with the Conservative Party? This is being talked about at the moment: Cameron pledges himself to a referendum on Britain’s membership of the EU, Nigel Farage agrees not to field candidates against a bunch of Tory MPs somehow characterised as Eurosceptic. I can see how this would appeal to the Prime Minister, languishing fifteen points behind Labour in the opinion polls. But what good will it do Farage? UKIP has spent a considerable amount of time and energy attempting to convince people that it is not a single issue party, but rather a sort of revamped Monday Club led by nicer people. Strike such a deal and that work will be undone immediately.

And Farage should ask the Lib Dems if commitments to referenda work out quite the way they envisaged. Both UKIP and Labour are in positions of comparative strength right now and there seems to be no reason why this strength should fade (markedly) over the next two years. In both cases they should remain aloof from deals with parties which are beginning to fear calamity.

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  • James Allen

    Cameron’s history. If only he knew it….

  • klipklopff

    Correct and Farage knows it.

    What wrong with the Monday people, are you happy about immigration or something?!

  • DougS

    Vote UKIP – or put up with decades of laws and petty regulations imposed on us by an unelected Eurocracy that hates us!

  • In2minds

    Farage is often tight

    • Eddie

      Tight? Fiscally? Anally? imPISHepctably? How so?

  • Roy May


    Now look at me, an ex MP who once had a majority
    I thought we were the ruling classes choosing to ignore the masses
    Disregard their point of view, no in/out vote on the EU
    Promising the unwashed shower, when were back in, we’ll claw back power

    Alack alas that didn’t wash, they thought our promises were tosh
    Our vote took an enormous dip. It seems they all went for UKIP
    UKIP simply had us beat and I have lost my Commons seat
    At Cameron I am much annoyed, for now I’ve joined the unemployed

    We should perhaps at least reflected why it was we were elected
    Listened and took careful note of those who gave their trust and vote
    We were there at their behest, not to serve our own interest
    We’re there to serve, not dictate rules. THE VOTING BRITISH ARE NOT

    If we are still in the EU come the next election its GOODBY Tories for a generation at least

  • Roy May

    Anyone with access to Conservative Central Office perhaps you would like to explain the following on the party’s behalf.
    If as Cameron now says you can suddenly claw back all these powers from the EU why has it taken two years to decide to do so, has not he himself conceded some, I believe around 60 were surrendered with the Lisbon Treaty
    Secondly if Cameron was serious about all this why did he call a three-line whip when the e-petition sparked a referendum debate in the HOC in order to prevent a referendum taking place?Thirdly If it were possible to renege on or renegotiate our agreement with EU Treaties why did CAST IRON Cameron not renegotiate Lisbon as in the CAST IRON GUARENTEE
    Cameron is a dyed in the wool Europhile and we all know it, however he also realizes that UKIP will certainly torpedo any chance he or his party has of re-election. I am pretty certain what will be announced at the party conference regarding a referendum it is not a gift from MISTIC MEG it is so obvious that a child could spot it.Cameron will almost certainly offer a referendum and it may well contain an in/out option. BUT don’t be fooled for he will not allow us to leave but will claim that he can use the result to threaten the EU unless it gives back powers to the UK. This he hopes will shoot UKIPs fox so to speak but he will not put any deadlines in this threat and will spend years on spurious negotiations whilst at the same time keeping us in under our present terms and conditions Cameron also knows that should he uphold the result for out from this fake referendum it would split the Tory Party in two.

    The EU conditions that we are now stuck with are set in stone, you know it and we all know it, any change WILL require the agreement of the other 26 members
    Cameron will NEVER support us leaving the EU and here is a video to prove it…Looking foreword to your reply

  • Roy May

    The election results I posted show that UKIPs relatively small vote was more than enough to rob Cameron of a majority in all those 20 seats. Furthermore this was the vote for UKIP before Cameron formed a coalition with the Lib Dems and before major cuts were announced. Now it cannot be denied that UKIP are gaining in popularity at the same time as the Tories seem to be an utter shambles. They are struggling with the economy through no fault perhaps of their own. However they have made no impact whatsoever on immigration and they stick slavishly to the “Human Rights Act” thereby leaving an angry public paying to keep foreign criminals and terrorists at their expense. They refuse to hold an in/out Referendum and mess about with issues like gay marriage and reforming the House of Lords and wasting billions on foreign aid
    All this at a time when many of the normal hard working Conservative electorate are struggling to make ends meet.

    Now I understand that UKIP will almost certainly make an easy win for Labour in the next election
    But unless the Tories start to behave like the Conservatives we voted for we may as well vote Labour forever because there is little difference between all the main parties at present. The Tories need to loose the next election in order to bring them back down to earth and to make them realise they are there to represent those who elected them and not their own unrepresentative interests or that of their EU masters.

    In the past Cameron has dismissed UKIP as “Fruitcakes, Nutters and Racists” Well you and I know that these fruitcakes will become Lions at the next election and give him a bite in the backside that will end his political career. Time is running out, as are many Tory donators and supporters and they now have to offer cut-price tickets to their conference, they must act NOW!!!!!!!

    Immediate EU in/out referendum
    No Foreign Aid
    No Gay Marriage
    Massive clamp down on immigration
    End the Human Rights Charter

    Here is a list of all the seats UKIP spoiled for the Tories at the last election and this was before they formed an alliance with the Liberals.
    I cannot see the Tories winning again unless they hold an in/out Referendum on the EU BEFORE the next election.
    Cameron must be stupid if he thinks anyone will believe a promise of referendums after the next election, it’s time he went.

    Bolton West:
    Labour 18,329; Conservative 18,235; UKIP 1,901
    Derby North:
    Labour 14,896; Conservative 14,283; UKIP 829
    Derbyshire NE:
    Labour 17,948: Conservative 15,503; UKIP 2,636
    Dorset mid & Poole:
    Labour 21,100; Conservative 20,831; UKIP 2,109
    Dudley North:
    Labour 14,923; Conservative 14,274; UKIP 3,267
    Great Grimsby:
    Labour 10,777: Conservative 10,063: UKIP 2,043
    Hampstead & Kilburn:
    Labour 17,332; Conservative 17,290; UKIP 408
    Middlesbrough South:
    Labour 18,138; Conservative 16,461; UKIP 1,881
    Morley (Ed Balls):
    Labour 18,365; Conservatives 17,264; UKIP 1,506
    Labour 16,393; Conservatives 14,841; UKIP 3,491
    Plymouth Moor View:
    Labour 15,433; Conservatives 13,845; UKIP 3,188
    Liberal 23,635; Conservatives 23,460; UKIP 1,200
    Somerton & Frome:
    Liberal 28,793; Conservatives 26,976; UKIP 1,932
    Southampton Itchen:
    Labour 16,326; Conservatives 16,134; UKIP 1,928
    St Austell & Newquay:
    Liberal 20,189; Conservatives 18,877; UKIP 1,757
    St Ives:
    Liberal 19,619; Conservatives 17,900; UKIP 2,560
    Labour 15,977; Conservatives 14,996; UKIP 2,428
    Walsall North:
    Labour 13,385; Conservatives 12,395; UKIP 1,737
    Walsall South:
    Labour 16,211; Conservatives 14,456; UKIP 3,449
    Liberal 24,560; Conservatives 23,760; UKIP 1,711
    Wirral South:
    Labour 16,276; Conservatives 15,745; UKIP 1,274

    And all this before the Tories joined forces with the Libdems

    UKIP might not win a single seat but they will scupper the Tories hopes of a majority for decades. The public want a simple IN/OUT referendum on Europe BEFORE the next election if not its Goodby Tories

    • Wessex Man

      It’s obvious from the reports on the news that Cameron is only going to offer a referendum ON OUR FORM OF MEMBERSHIP OF THE EU.
      The bloke must have a death wish, perhaps he a Lib/dem in disguise!

      • Wessex Man

        I also take from your comments Roy May that you are an upset right wing Tory, in which case UKIP would be no good for you, they voted against a motion to cut all overseas aid by 2 to 1 at their Conference, ah well you could always go to the BNP.

      • Augustus

        Cameron is simply a ‘progressive’ that stumbled into the Conservative camp and lingered there because of career considerations. Consider him a mercenary idealist without a backbone. Of course, a major reversal (from true Conservative to wet Liberal) is only good once and cannot be undone. He bet on the wrong side when he jumped on the liberal bandwagon and now sees his legacy and reputation threatened by a stronger conservative ascendance.

  • rod liddle

    did anyone say this, or is Stuart arguing with his shadow?

  • Baron

    Baron would rather put his trust in a 2nd hand car salesman than Cameron, young Liddle’s right, Nigel should sit tight, any shoulder rubbing with any of the tossers of any of the three parties amounts to a death sentence for UKIP, the party’s eventual success hinges on their being not like the others, whether it’s true remains to be seen, power is known to corrupt.

    and what Fubar says.

  • Eddie

    It is wrong to say that wanting a referendum on EU membership – or wanting to leave completely – is a ‘right wing’ view at all.
    Look back to 1975 – many Labourites were against joining the common market in the vote that took place then (though that was not a vote for the EU even, just a common market).
    I have met loads of people of all political persuasions who have had enough of the EU and want to opt out, or at least leave the core – and then we can get back control over our borders and laws.
    Even the most smug Europhile has to acknowledge that the British people overwhelming are against the EU in its present form and that not allowing people to have a say in a referendum is fundamentally undemocratic.
    What the hell is wrong with allowing the people to have a vote on it? Unles of course you fear and know the result will show massive dissatisfaction with our membership of the EU.
    And we could survive outside it, or in a second tier – scare stories abound about this. Shame the frogs (who see the EU as their centralising Grand Projet anyway and always have) vetoed British membering in 1962-ish: if the Brits had been around from the start, the EU wouldn’t be such a wasteful, bureaucratic, corrupt froggy cock-up! But more pragmatic, common-sensical, honest and efficient)
    BTW there is no such word as ‘referenda'; the plural should be either referendums or referendum. Why? Because in Latin there never was a plural ‘referenda’ as it was not a standard neuter noun. Just thought I’d mention it – not that it will stop the bimbos of the BBC news from mangling the English (and Latin) language…

  • Noa

    Farage’s offer simply shows that he is a reasonable man, whist increasing the pressure on Cameron to hold a straight forward In/Out referendum rather than the meaningless chocolate fudge he really wants to hold.
    It serves to strip support from and at the expense of the Conservative Europhiles.

    • Wessex Man

      Farage hasn’t made an offer, I suyggest you check his Conference Speech, as I have and there’s no offer there at all unless “Cameron gives a cast iron guarantee of a referendum written in his own blood.”

      • Noa

        Politics and law are not the same. In the latter an offer is something binding and capable of acceptance by another party or parties.
        But in politics an offer is simply what the lawyers consider to be an invitation to treat, to commence discussions and so forth.
        However your caveat: “…unless..etc…”, in fact admits that Farage did make an offer, subject to a condition precedent.

        • Wessex Man

          Really, I suggest that to do what I did and watch the speech, it’s nice to see a politician, speaking as he did.

  • Wilhelm

    What I don’t get is why is Nigel Farage so cheerful when the country is a Orwellian dystopian bantu muslim nightmare. I feel like I’m living in Hell,

    • Bruce, UK

      Because, no matter how like Cincinnatus they would wish themselves to be, they all exult in their own success but even more so in the failure of others.

    • Stuart O’Reilly

      Oh grow up. UKIP as BNP in blazers is a tired and ridiculous argument.

      • Austin Barry

        I tend to think of them as patriotic, benign, golf-club adulterers who deserve a chance to run the country.

        • Noa

          As opposed to the Internationalist, malign, expenses fiddling collection of motley adulterers and serial buggers who actually do?

      • Austin Barry

        I tend to think of them as patriotic, benign, golf-club adulterers who deserve a chance to run the country.

      • Joe

        He got the most likes UKIP is a crazy extremists party
        The Monday club was about as racist as you could get, is that the UKiP role model ??? Good luck

        • klipklopff

          Only Marxists use the term “racist”, it has no real meaning, only emotion.

    • edlancey

      Gin and Tonic ?

      • Daniel Maris

        Followed by a scotch and soda?

        • Austin Barry

          Followed by a vigorous workout with a dystopian-resident, bantu muslim born in 1984. Grrrr…

      • Daniel Maris

        Followed by a scotch and soda?

    • Wessex Man

      I really do think you should consider emigrating somewhere you would feel comfortable, somewhere where they wear tall hats, like the deep south of the good ole USA!

      • klipklopff

        See how you got nine negatives (at the time of writing) that’s because you’re a fool, you know, the one’s who sit in the corner wearing a tall hat with the letter “D” on.

        • Wessex Man

          You are a very sad person Klipklopff, and would be perfect buddy of Wilhelm, you not him are you, lrts face it, you’ve probably putting all those ngatives up yourself, being up all night being a “Billy no mates!”
          Get a life and get some sleep.

          • Wessex Man

            Lord I can’t believe my reply, so many mis-placed fingers to sad bloke- it’s far to early to be debating with half wits!

    • Roy Smith

      Very true Wilhelm. Nigel Farage, rather than being conscripted to work for a larger party should himself look to engage suitable colleagues for his party.

  • Douglas Carter

    There is one very specific thing that Cameron could do to actually convince people he’s – as quaintly-claimed – a ‘Eurosceptic’.
    The LibDems, Labour and Conservatives are all – officially at least right now – committed to a referendum on the Single Currency. …’Vote-UKIP-and-you’ll-let-Labour-in-and-they’ll-join-the-Euro-and-that-will-wreck-the-economy-and-end-sovereign-democracy-and-and-and’…
    Getting a wee bit tired of that silly little piece of blackmail, and there is a way to see the colour of the money here.
    Cameron can – that’s ‘CAN’ – formulate the terms of reference of that referendum. On this occasion I’m not interested in a torrent of excuses why a referendum can’t be held. There are problems, but none are insurmountable – and being it’s party policy in both Coalition parties, there can be no credible opposition.
    The terms of reference will finalise the wording, the conduct of the various parties campaigning, including how they are funded. It can mandate the conduct of the press with regard to advertising and reporting. It could also compel the competing parties to pre-highlight their subsequent conduct as per policy prior to the vote, so the voting public are given a definitive version of the recognition of their input.
    It will kick the EUphiles in all parties into touch – again, being party policy they have no argument to throw toys from pram. He doesn’t have any obligation to state a date on which such a referendum should be held. Only that the legislation on how it is held, and its wording is thereby placed into effect.
    Of course, Cameron is not going to do any of that. He can – the problems are absolutely not insurmountable – but he won’t. So therefore any argument that apparently A.N.Other party is holding the political landscape to ransom becomes moot. No party in Westminster could thus be able to join a single currency unless the conditions within the terms of reference pre-specified are met. Any party attempting to weaken the conditions, or overturn, overlook or ignore them will then be met with a sound requirement to explain themselves. (If the press can be trusted to do their job).
    Instead of attempting political blackmail on UKIP voters (..and remember, people are voting UKIP because the Conservatives specifically don’t want those votes…) then there is still two-and-a-half years to emplace a very efficacious block on the ambitions of the EUphiles.
    Cameron will refuse to pick up that ball. He should beware of blaming others for the neglect when the time comes.

  • Steve Tierney

    If they don’t do a deal, they are simply delivering Labour, or a Lib/Lab coalition into government. The consequence of which would be full integration in a way that I suspect there will be no escape from. Diehard ‘kippers will say that there is no difference between that and the Conservatives – but there is. The difference is a lot of angry back-benchers and grass roots supporters who a Conservative government must also keep on side. Labour, or LibLab, have nothing like that.

    • Jumping Jack

      Absolute rubbish ! Another drivelly response from another grovelling Tory ‘loyalist’.
      ‘Angry’ back benchers just sabre rattle in an attempt to convince their ever gullible constituents that they really aren’t part of the group of anodyne Westminster time servers – when, infact, they are.

    • fubar_saunders

      what difference is there Steve? On the economy, defence, welfare NHS? There isnt any. Both parties are full on Europhile, Cam and Osborne are delivering continuity Brown economics, Labour would have to cut as much, if not more as they have acknowledged in thier latest position that Balls has adopted. Lots of big talk from both, but no changes in the substance. Even without UKIP, thedumb UK electorate are likely to return Labour in 2015 anyway. If UKIP cam at least make a very strong showing in the 2014 EU elections, at least there is the possibility of us not going quietly into an EU superstate which Brown would have signed us up to in a heartbeat and which Cam would still do anyway, even if he did face the possibility of a tory right putsch. Ifthe backbenchers are that angry, lets see them do something about it NOW. But they wont though, will they? Same as Labour had the chance, FOUR TIMES IN THREE YEARS to rid themselves of Brown and to save thier party from losing in 2010, and every time, they bottled it and figured they could pull it back from the brink and keep thier precious seats, incomes, allowances, pensions… and look what happened… How are the tory right going to be any different, considering most of them have had thier teeth pulled by the Cameroons about five years ago?

    • Bluesman

      All empires fall.

    • edlancey

      What a moronic comment. Cameron and his milquetoast mates are responsible.

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